Chinese Pinyin - The Forbidden City

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The Forbidden City

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The palace grounds are divided into two parts: the Front Palace (Qianchao) to the south and the Inner Palace (Neiting) to the north. The Front Palace consists chiefly of three halls -- the Hall of Supreme Harmony (Taihedian), the Hall of Central Harmony (Zhonghedian) and the Hall of Preserving
Harmony (Baohedian). Here, important ceremonies, such as the accession of a new emperor to the throne and the emperor's birthday and wedding, were held.

The Inner Palace mainly includes the Palace of Heavenly Purity (Qianqinggong), the Hall of Prosperity (Jiaotaidian) and the Palace of Earthly Tranquility (Kunninggong), where emperors and empresses lived. Behind them is the Imperial Garden.

On each side of the inner three great halls are six eastern palaces and six western palaces, respectively, which were used as residences for concubines.

The Palace Museum in the Forbidden City has the country's largest collection of ancient art works, some of which are invaluable national treasures. Art works in the museum's collection total 1,052,653, including paintings, pottery, bronze wares, inscribed wares, toys, clocks and court documents,
etc.

In 1987, the Forbidden City was included in the World Heritage List of UNESCO.

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Learn Chinese - Hunting and Archery on Horseback

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Hunting and Archery on Horseback

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Hunting was one of the productive activities carried out by the primitive man as a means of survival. In the latter stage of the primitive society it began to be incorporated into the military training programmes of the ruling class. By the Spring and Autumn and the Warring States periods (770-221
BC) it assumed enormous dimensions as the rulers "taught the civilians ways to fight" by training them in such combat skills as marching, archery on horseback, and hand-to-hand fighting.

In the early Western Han Dynasty (206 BC-AD 24), hunting gradually became a kind of recreation for the emperors and the nobility. Emperor Liu Che (140 BC- AD 88) had a hunting ground opened up in a forest west of the city of Xi'an. Named Shang Lin Yuan Park, it covers a large area with a
circumference of hundreds of kilometers. Li Yuanji, son of the Tang emperor Li Yuan, is said to "prefer going without food for three days to going without hunting for one day." This shows what great favor hunting was among the nobility.

Rulers of the Oing Dynasty (1644-1911) hailed from northeast China where people depended on hunting for their livelihood. Following an old tradition, they practised marching and fighting through hunting. Emperor Kangxi (1662-1723) had a hunting ground named Mulan Ranch opened up in Rehe (a region
comprising parts of today' s Hebei, Liaoning and Inner Mongolia), where large-scale hunting was carried out in the seventh and eighth months of the lunar year for six decades on end. Oianlong (1736-1796), another Oing emperor, issued a decree to make his officials understand the importance of
hunting to both military exercise and physical training.

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Chinese Class - Where Can I Find Siheyuan-style Hotel to Stay in Beijing

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Q: Where can I find Siheyuan-style hotel to stay in Beijing

A: Touring around Beijing, you'll see lots of modern hotels. Have you thought of staying in Siheyuans Hiding in hutongs, the Siheyuan hotels have red walls, old chairs and embroidered pillows, all those reminding you that here is Beijing, a modern city with long history as well.

It is normal for a Siheyuan (courtyard) has four rooms positioned along the north-south, east-west axes. The room positioned to the north and facing the south is considered the main house and would traditionally have accommodated the head of the family. The rooms adjoining the main house are
called "side houses" and were the quarters of the younger generations or less important members of the family.

Those Siheyuan hotels listing below make experience old Beijing life style.

Haoyuan Hotel

Having a big front yard and quiet back yard, Haoyuan is a typical Siheyuan. In the front yard there is stone chair under a giant tree. Sitting there in the sun, you'll feel warm though it's still winter.

There are single rooms, double rooms and suits in Haoyuan. Every room has wooden chairs and the wooden windows are decorated with paper-cut. In the afternoon, sunshine will penetrate into the room through the window.

Haoyuan has started receiving foreign guests ever since the early 1990s and part of the hotel's annual turnover has been contributed to charity organizations.

The dining department at Haoyuan serves both Chinese and Western breakfasts and also provides courtyard barbeque.

Location: No.53, Shijia hutong, Dongcheng District

Tel: 010-65125557

Price: Chinese luxury suite (RMB1,960 per night)

Chinese feature room (RMB680 per night)

Standard room (RMB550 per night)

Lusongyuan Hotel

As the mansion of a prestigious general in Qing Dynasty (1644-1911), the yard is rather complicated. Thanks to the guidance of an old man dressed in ancient Chinese suit, you won't get lost.

The room is usually dimly lit, with dark colored desks and chairs, white china cups, red embroidery silk blanket, red lanterns and red curtains, which deliver a vivid representation of old Beijing atmosphere.

The hotel's restaurant offers Beijing homemade dishes, which makes you feel at home.

After meal, have a cup of tea in a teahouse next to the restaurant. Take off your shoes, crouch on the couches and enjoy a sunny afternoon. Don't think of too much about the properties, you will find many others do the same. Sometimes, the hostess will sit over there, doing some embroidery. How
relaxed!

This is the place you may stay for long time, and indeed you'll find there are some people do live there for weeks. Lusongyuan is also a member of the Youth Hotel Association China.

Location: No.22, Banchang hutong, Kuanjie, Dongcheng District

Tel: 010-64040436

The Bamboo Garden Hotel

Compared with other houses in the same Hutong, the bright red door of the Bamboo Garden Hotel is very noticeable.

Like its name, Bamboo Garden, there are lots of bamboos inside the Siheyuan. Especially when you go to the back yard, you'll be astonished by the green world.

Location: No.24, Xiaoshiqiao hutong, Jiugulou Dajie (old Drum and Tower Avenue), Xicheng District

Tel: 010-64032229

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Study Chinese - One With Everything

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One With Everything

The title of the sculpture exhibition, Looking for Spiritual Space, suggests Taiwan artist Li Zhen's inner contemplation of Buddha and nature.

Now on at the National Art Museum of China, the exhibition displays some 30 pieces of Li's bronze sculptures. Polished in silver gloss, most of the works are based on such Buddhist images as Sakyamuni and the Goddess of Mercy.

Ranging from half-a-meter to three meters in height, the works look imposing and convey a feeling of auspiciousness. The sculptures are done in different poses - some standing, some sitting and yet others lying down.

Li has done a lot of research on Buddhist and Taoist classics. Combining his comprehension of tradition and modern techniques, he comes up with his own personal sculptural language. Simple compositions and a streamlined design make for an integral whole.

The works are imbued with a philosophical spirit and a sense of meditation.

For his representative work Avalokitesvara Rides on a Dragon, which was created in 2001, Li employed round-modeling and symmetrical composition. The surface of the sculpture is glazed black, transmitting both heavy and light effects. Avalokitesvara, Goddess of Mercy, opens up his arms to embrace
the sky, the earth and all human beings. His gesture is full of momentum while his facial expression is calm and warm. Under his feet, the strength of dragon is vividly executed. Stepping on pearls, lotuses and auspicious clouds, the dragon and its master transcends through space and time.

Born in 1963, Li made traditional Buddhist sculptures in his early years. Many of his works have been selected for international art shows around the world.

9 am-5 pm, until May 11

National Art Museum of China, 1 Wusi Dajie, Dongcheng District

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Yang Yuhuan

Yang Yuhuan was a concubine of Tang Minghuang, Emperor of the Tang Dynasty (618-907). Emperor Tang Minghuang and Yang Yuhuan, his concubine, made an appointment to drink at the Hundred Flower Pavilion. After waiting for a long time in vain for the arrival of the Emperor Minghuang, Yang was so
angry that she drank a lot till she got drunk. She returned to her residence with great disappointment.

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Wang Zhaojun

Wang Zhaojun was the former concubine of Emperor Han Yuandi. She was later married afar to the Chieftain of the Huns. The Han regime was not strong enough to resist the invasion of the Huns due to weakness of the Emperor and incompetence of the court ministers and officials. Wang Zhaojun, filled
with grief and indignation, was forced to assume her mission of marrying afar to the Chieftain of the Huns in order to defend the Han from foreign invasion and seek a cease-fire between the two belligerent parties.

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Yu Ji

Yu Ji was the beloved concubine of Xiang Yu, overlord of the State of Chu, in the period when the states of Chu and Han were engaged in war. In the late period when the states of Chu and Han were in war against each other, Yu Ji performed the sword dance in profound agony, to comfort the then
defeated Xiang Yu, before she ended her life with the sword, encouraging Xiang Yu to break out of the siege.

Repertoire: Farewell, My Concubine

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Learning Chinese - A Time for Space

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Public Space No. 26 by Wu Yang.

Today's red-hot Chinese art market is always looking for something new and it appears abstract painting has become one of the coolest new discoveries. Renowned curator Fang Zhenning says the Chinese community has long understood the fine art of creating and appreciating abstract essentials in
visual imagery thanks to Chinese characters, calligraphy and painting.

"But we never relate calligraphic artto a painting, because its function as a language was established," he says.

"However, there have always been abstract elements in Chinese painting from the very beginning. The most outstanding example is Master Badashanren from the Qing Dynasty."

Fang now has a new favorite abstract artist Wu Yang, who has blown away critics, curators and foreign artists with a breakthrough new exhibition.

Wu Yang

Flying White is the fourth solo exhibition for Wu Yang, who comments on China's fast developing urban landscapes by painting striking black-and-white abstract acrylic images on photographic paper.

The artist's combination of photographic paper and Chinese ink images of the urban landscapes has interested foreign art critics who have praised her traditional-modern fusion technique.

Indian artist Sarbajit Sen has said he was very inspired after seeing Wu's paintings because it gave him special insight into the Chinese psyche.

"I felt a strong energy and discovered very familiar poetry of an urban mindscape where things are fragmented and are in a constant state of flux and uncertainty."

Sen said the discovery of new art ideas inspired him to be a better artist himself.

German art critic HD Schrader said he was very impressed by the subject of urban spaces presented on photographic paper.

He said Wu's language was very contemporary yet the painting naturally creates feels of Chinese ink painting.

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Chinese Character - Prescriptions of Universal Relief

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Prescriptions of Universal Relief

Pu Ji Fang(Prescriptions of Universal Relief) is the most extensive prescription book in Chinese history, with 61,739 prescriptions in it.

It was published in 1406, compiled under the leadership of Emperor Zhu Di of the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644).Pu Ji Fanggathered great mass of data. In addition to the contents of prescription books before the Ming Dynasty, it has also collected data in other aspects, such as biographies, magazines
and so on, so its contents are very rich and detailed. As the number of printed copies was very small and the book was so useful, many people made copies by writing from one to another. The rarer, the more valuable.Pu Ji Fangwas very precious at that time. After some times, the original
block-printed edition ofPu Ji Fangwas already lost.

The original ofPu Ji Fangwas in 168 volumes, and later it was changed into 426 volumes, containing 217 categories and 788 therapies. There are 239 pictures in the whole book. The contents include the general remark, the human body, miscellaneous diseases of enteric fever, surgery, gynecology,
pediatrics, acupuncture and moxibustion and so on. The book described the treatment of many diseases, such as decoction, massage, acupuncture and moxibustion, and so on.Pu Ji Fangis a very practical medical formulary. Under each disease, some prescriptions are listed,so, what the scholar or doctor
has to do is just to find the prescriptions according to the disease, and then choose one from the many prescriptions. The book also serves as a very precious medical literature.

In 1959, the People's Medical Publishing House of China proofread and reprinted the bookPu Ji Fangon the basis of manyfragmentary copies of earlier times.Pu Ji Fangpublished by the People's Medical Publishing House is in 10 volumes. Volume 1 is on physiology, Volume 2 on the human body, Volume 3
to Volume 6 on miscellaneous diseases, Volume 7 on skin and external diseases, Volume 8 on women, Volume 9 on children, and Volume 10 on acupuncture and moxibustion. Thus, the book becomes concise and clear.

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Free Chinese Lesson - Chinese Culture Center

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Comprehensive Activities:

The 5th Chinese song competition

Culture Center, April 15

Chinese Cultural Week (co-organize with cultural department of Hebei)

Cairo Opera House, May

Exhibitions
Exhibition commemorating the 10th anniversary of Hong Kong's return Central Exhibition Hall

Movies and TV: Central Multinational Hall 7:30pm

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Heroic Duo April 30
Beautiful homestead May 7
Riding Aolne for Thousands of Miles May 28
Gimme Kudos June 3
Together June 24

Teaching:

Advanced oral classes (Elementary classes, Secondary classes, Junior classes, Senior classes)

April 27, 2008 to June 25,2008 Sunday, Tuesday or Monday, Wednesday 17：30--20：30 Venue: Venue: Central Classroom

Martial Art Class Third Phase: Southern Fist and Southern Broadsword; 24 Forms Simplified Tai Chi; 42 Forms Tai-Chi Boxing, Sword and Pushing Hands (Shui Shou)

February.24 to May.21 Sunday, Tuesday, or Monday, Wednesday 18：00--19：30 Venue: Central Multinational Hall

Library:

22000 books in collection, more than 20 kinds of periodicals in Chinese and other languages

16：00--19：30 Sunday to Thursday

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Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

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Re: Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

Great question. But a little vague. What do you mean by "work"?

Maybe a good question to ask is: If someone started with no knowledge of chinese, and studied
chinesepod exclusively for one year...



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Steve Kaufmann - How good is he?

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Re: Steve Kaufmann - How good is he?

The two books "A New Text for a Modern China" are both by the same authors, except the one from
Beijing Univ. has an additional author. Based on the link, the BJ Univ. pub. has only simplified,
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which chinese dialect(s) do you like most?

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I have to agree that Shanghainese does really...

I have to agree that Shanghainese does really sound like people are having a right argy bargy (and
often they are!).

I like Cantonese, but what I love about it are the Chinglish words like diksi,...



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It seems obvious that the 4 dots can't represent legs on the horse since those same dots appear in
the symbol for fire and fish and birds which neither have four legs. Can anyone offer any proof
for that meaning of the 4 dots--as legs?

Looking into the history of 鱼 and 鸟 it looks that the 4 dots occurred somewhat by accident but
do have some relation to the animal. For 鱼 the 4 dots are the tips of the upper and lower fins
and the two tips of the rear fins (dorsal, anal, and caudal fins to be technical). The fin tips
got pushed to the bottom of the character over time. There is a video on Youtube showing this.
Wenlin has an even clearer example but I don't have the image online anywhere handy.

For 鸟 the dots are a combination of clawtips and the tail. No real logic on why it ended up at
four, probably to make it look like other animal characters. There is a Youtube of that too.



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In my plan above, I'm stuck on the very first, most popular character. What does a ladel in the
(rising) sun have to do with genitive as well as simple and composed adjectives? It appears I will
need help in connecting characters ideas into the meaning especially in the case of abstract ideas.

That's the trouble with this sort of system. It works on enough characters to make it look
plausible, but in a lot of cases you are back to plain memorization, or come up with elaborate
stories like the one about the magic spoon. Use these tricks where you can, but understand that in
most cases the components of the characters don't supply a whole lot of meaning. One of the first
illusions broken when learning Chinese is when you find out that most characters aren't pictures
of anything. Next is when you discover that most characters aren't formed on meaning, but rather
are something akin to a rebus. Then you find that the rebuses were done a long time ago when
characters were pronounced differently. This doesn't mean that you can't take advantage of the
more pictographic characters, or the ones that have meaningful components or the ones that provide
good sound clues. You just can't expect there to be a system based on these that will work
everywhere.



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imron -

This is the book I was talking about. 汉字书写入门.










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And when you look at the characters 量liáng, 查chá and 昼zhoù, all of which have the 旦
component, you can see how useful this approach is.

Interesting topic!

查

It's shape follows 木 and it's pronounciation follows 且 in ancient. So it's lower part 旦 is
just an evolved form. (By <<说文解字>>)

Someone may ask me why 查 is pronounced as 'Cha2' instead of 'Qie 且'.This deal with the ancient
chinese pronounciations. The ancient chinese has more than 4 tones.

In ancient China, 查/阻/咀 have the same pronounciation.

I am an English learner. My english is not good. Hope you can understand.










m.ellison -

There are two new books on this principle, by Matthews and Matthews and by Heisig and Richardson.

The Heisig book (which has not appeared yet) is the subject of its own thread in this forum.










Volapuk49 -

I went to Professor Tienzen Gong's site: http://www.chinese-word-roots.org/

This describes the book which began this entire discussion. It is back in print.

Here is what especially got my attention. The ordering info:

Buy now (paper back) $400, new edition, 305 pages. (No return)

I sent him an e mail asking how he arrived at this price.

Any substantive comments? Has anyone actually used this book?












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usna_mori -

I have a question , I´m studing simplifies chinese , but got a comic in traditional chinese and
it has (name)-大人 for honorific , and is used like - sama in japanese , is it used in
simplified chinese too???? =)



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skylee -

usna_mori, it has nothing to do with simplified or traditional Chinese. The term is just used to
translate "-sama". Nowadays, 大人 is not used in either simplified/traditional Chinese or
Mainland China/Taiwan to address a person of a high status. It was used in the past (like
pre-1911). In HK, however, sometimes you might find the term used in some court drama in the form
of "法官大人" ("your honour" when address the judge in a court).










fireball9261 -

Nowadays, 大人 could also be used in joking with your friends or parents or wives or girlfriends.

I think the term 閣下 is still used formally in certain situations in Chinese societies. I
usually use it when I am using it as a term to speak to someone who I want to express my feelings
of wanting to keep the listener as a far away stranger and a possible enemy. It is a way for
respectful sacarsm.










muyongshi -



Quote:

I think the term 閣下 is still used formally in certain situations in Chinese societies.

I see it all the time at restaurants here in mainland!










fireball9261 -

Yes. 閣下 would be used in a very well mannered and formal setting, especially if the
businessmen want to make people feel respected and upper class. The same thing as "夫人" for the
wives of higher level Chinese.












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gato -

There's hypothetically a danger of giving away the plot, but in this case, I don't think that's
too much of a problem. Just be discreet.



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What I find both appealing and annoying about this story is that it offers us a brief glimpse into
the lives of these characters, but then stops without filling in the details. I realise this is
quite possibly the author's whole intention, but after reading the story, there's so much more I
want to know about the characters, that we can now only guess at through idle speculation - like
for instance how does someone who speaks at least 4 languages end up living destitute in a slum.

I also think that going by passages is a good way to go, as it gives slower readers and/or busy
people time to read along and participate. Otherwise you'll get people wanting to move onto the
next story, or talking about future events, before everyone's finished reading. Remember, it is
after all suppossed to be book of the month.










muyongshi -



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What I find both appealing and annoying about this story is that it offers us a brief glimpse into
the lives of these characters, but then stops without filling in the details.

I agree with you. I personally don't like the idea of a story missing the whole conclusion of the
matter. (oh wait have we spoiled the ending ) but in terms of the way he writes I enjoy the style.

I guess though his intention wasn't, as you said, to give us a biography but to simply illustrate
a certain time of his life...










imron -

I don't like it from a story perspective, but I like it for the effect it has - that it makes you
think about the characters and the lifes they lead. After all, if he went on to fill in all the
backstory, and then what happens next, there would be nothing left for you to think about. That
would make for a more complete story, but wouldn't stimulate the mind so much.










muyongshi -



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but wouldn't stimulate the mind so much.

Exactly...I hate stories that stimulate my mind










文言訓開班 -

Alright, it's Tuesday and I'm just sitting down to start 第二回 My apologies. I've got an idea
as to where this is going to go, though I'm not positive, but I don't mind if people give
spoilers, frankly. The biggest two things I want to get out of my first few ventures into contempo
Chinese lit is vocabulary and getting accustomed the the writing voice, or style. So please, feel
free I didn't know if people wanted to read these pieces, then discuss together at the same
time....while I acknowledge that everyone being on the same piece at once makes things easier,
this is the internet, and what each one of us says isn't going to disappear if we're not around to
listen like it would in a face-to-face discussion group

So, first thoughts. First, I'm not convinced that 破书 means dilapidated books. The story starts
pretty abruptly with him unemployed and kicking around the slums of shanghai, and by the end of
the chapter, I feel like I've got a pretty good idea of what kind of character this is. I know
beatniks like this, and they keep books forever. I think 破书 are books he's read, and he's
trying to establish himself as a beatnik or something to that effect.

I don't really feel confident on judging the writing style. I think I find the Chinese
light-hearted and kind of fun, though.


Also, Imron


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Remember, it is after all suppossed to be book of the month

While I am busy and would love to drag this out for a month, I'll acknowledge that I'm the
straggler here....it's book of the month, but it's book of the month, and this ain't no book










文言訓開班 -

As for where this story's going (第二回正短了), I was way off. I actually think I'm going to
like this story a lot, though I'll see where it goes from here. From here, I'm interested in
seeing how the author develops or what he learns in the rest of this story. My guess is that this
is going to be a guilt trip about him worrying so much about theoretical questions as to what type
of person he is while people right next to him are happy to just make it through the day before
breaking even. My sense is, though, that the author's more clever than this.

Also, does anyone know what 煙 are in this context? They're cigarettes, right? The girl packages
cigarettes? does 吃煙 mean to smoke?










文言訓開班 -

also, this story's dated to be from 1923. can we forget i called him beatnik?










gato -



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吃煙

吃香烟 is Shanghainese for 抽烟. The story was written when Mandarin still wasn't
standardized, and the author uses some Shanghainese phrases in the story. In Shanghainese, you'd
even 吃汤 instead of 喝汤 (I think).










studentyoung -



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I realise this is quite possibly the author's whole intention, but after reading the story,
there's so much more I want to know about the characters, that we can now only guess at through
idle speculation - like for instance how does someone who speaks at least 4 languages end up
living destitute in a slum.



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“你家在什么地方？何以不回家去？”

她问到了这里，我忽而感觉到我自己的现状了。因为自去年以来，我只是一�
��一日的萎靡下去，差不多把“我是什么人？”“我现在所处的是怎么一种��
�遇？”“我的心里还是悲还是喜？”这些观念都忘掉了。经她这一问，我重
新把半年来困苦的情形一层一层的想了出来。所以听她的问话以后，我只是�
��呆的看她，半晌说不出话来。她看了我这个样子，以为我也是一个无家可��
�的流浪人。脸上就立时起了一种孤寂的表情，微微的叹着说：

“唉！你也是同我一样的么？”

I think it might be the author’s intention, too. Maybe 郁达夫tried to express the meaning of
the famous verse by 白居易，”同是天涯沦落人，相逢何必曾相识Fellow sufferers
sympathize with each other, why bother to know who you are.”

Cheers!












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