Friday, November 7, 2008

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SeekerOfPeace -

Where could I find a website like Yahoo Answers! in Chinese?

Yahoo Answers doesn't seem to exist in Chinese for some reason.

Is there anywhere else I could go on the web to ask questions in Chinese?

Thanks.



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谢谢你,
JUKEBOX.

Will definitely look these sites up.

Thanks!












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Thursday, November 6, 2008

Chinese Tutor - One-way or Round-trip -








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xianu -

If you were studying for an academic year in China, would you buy a round-trip ticket or a one-way
to get there? The prices seem so high for OW tickets.



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imron -

2 One-way trips are usually always more expensive than 1 return trip. If you know you're only
going to be staying a year it's more cost effective get a one year return ticket.










xianu -

a quick search found 1, to buy a RT ticket, you can only book 330 days in advance, and the school
year doesn't end until the end of June, so if I buy a RT ticket now, the latest return date I can
get would be around the end of May. Prices for those tickets booked way in advance seem pretty
much the cost of 2 OW tickets. Plus I don't know when the actual return date would be. Can you
even buy a OW ticket to China, or does the visa office make you have a RT ticket?










angeikim -

yep, you can buy open end ticket, 0-6 mons usually. prices differ a lot. and usually airline will
charge u more during x-mas, such heavy travelling seasons.
try this website: http://www.ua858.com
it seems like they offer very good deal~.










Lu -

I'd buy a round trip. Cheaper than two one-ways, you know you can always go back even if you'd be
out of money by the end of the year. You can usually change the return date after buying the
ticket, so it doesn't really matter if you're not sure yet when you'll go back.










imron -

Just remember that you can only change it up to a year from the initial flight date. You should
confirm this when you buy the ticket though because some tickets have 1/3/6 month restrictions on
extending the ticket date.










Xiao Kui -

don't know where you're flying from . . I got a one way flight from NYC to Kunming last year for
$600 from Air China, which to me is pretty reasonable and gives me a lot of flexibility as far as
when I'm going to buy a tkt to return. But I think to get a good deal on a one-way you'll have to
go with a Chinese airline, where it only comes out to abt half the price of a round-trip. For
other airlines, round-trip is the less expensive option.










sandeehoo -

I'm glad this post is created. I'm having the same problem as Xianu.
I realised that you cannot book a return date that is more than about 330 days in advance. Given
how unpredictable life is, a one year study course in China will most certainly go over the 330
day mark. But buying 2 one-way tickets is definitely relatively expensive.

By the way, what is a Round-trip? Is that the same as a Return ticket? Excuse my ignorance.










Kristyx -

You're right, a round trip is just the same as a return ticket.
I'm in a similar situation, but yesterday took the plunge and bought a one-way ticket. Just out of
curiosity I priced a return ticket with the airline, returning in 330 days time (too early but I
was just interested) and it was 5 times the price of my single ticket! haha I'm sure I could have
gotten a cheaper return ticket with a different airline but I wanted the convenience of this
particular airline.
You can't plan every last detail, so I'm quite satified with booking a one-way ticket at the
moment. It also gives me the freedom to fly back from a different city if I want to go travelling
after my course ends.










imron -

You cannot *book* a return date more than that far in advance, however I believe you should be
able to change the dates up to a year from your departuare date, you just have to wait until it
gets closer to that date before changing i.e. you book the return date for 330 days from now, but
then when it gets to 300 days (or whatever) then you change the date closer to 360 days. At least
I have been able to do this before on several different occasions. Make sure you check with a
travel agent that this is possible though, just to be sure you can do this with your ticket.












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Wednesday, November 5, 2008

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roddy -

Can I draw attention please to the rather lovely icon, which you should see sitting under the
username on all posts.

To date this has allowed you to report problematic posts - spam, etc - to admin staff. It now has
the additional function of allowing you to use it to recommend posts for inclusion in the recently
launched forums newsletter, etc.

It's very useful if users can make use of this - there's no guarantee admin staff will read
everything and even if we do we might not be aware of how useful something. And it's nice to say
hi. So click on it now.



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Tuesday, November 4, 2008

Chinese Pinyin - 介意, 在意, 在乎 -








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HashiriKata -

The three items seem to be almost the same to me but I'm very likely to be wrong. Does anyone know
of any differences among them?

我不介意
我不在意
我不在乎

你介意吗?
你在意吗?
你在乎吗?



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trien27 -

我不介意 = I don't mind
我不在意 = I wasn't aware
我不在乎 = I don't care

你介意吗?= Do you mind?
你在意吗?= Were you aware?
你在乎吗?= Do you care?










HashiriKata -

Thanks Trien27. I think your translations help a bit but are not sufficient to keep the three
apart, especially because 我不在意 can also be easily translated as "I don't mind / I don't
care".

Actually, I went to bed after posting the question and woke up this morning (still 6:40 AM now! )
having the feelings that 介意 and 在意 are pretty the same whereas 在乎 is slightly
different from the other two. I'll try pursuing this line and if it proves to be correct, I'll
believe that our mind does do the work while we're sleeping!










againstwind -



Quote:

having the feelings that 介意 and 在意 are pretty the same whereas 在乎 is slightly
different from the other two.

I feel that 在意 is slightly similar to both 介意 and 在乎, but 介意 and 在乎 are a
little different.
Acccording to my sense, there is some tiny semantic difference between 介意 and 在意. 介意
emphasizes that 'to keep something annoying or offending in heart', while 在意 is just 'to
object, to care or to mind'. Try to taste of the two sentences:
你介意我在这里吸烟吗?
x你在意我在这里吸烟吗?

你介意我把声音开大一点吗?
x你在意我把声音开大一点吗?

我不在意你说了什么。
我不介意你说了什么。

And 在乎 is similar to 在意 for 'to care about or to care for', but 在乎 seems more written
or formal while 在意 more spoken or informal.

我很在意她的感觉,因为我不想伤害她。
我很在乎她的感觉,因为我不想伤害她。
x我很介意她的感觉,因为我不想伤害她。

我一定要得到她,不在乎要付出多大的代价!
?我一定要得到她,不在意要付出多大的代价!
?我一定要得到她,不介意要付出多大的代价!

Besides, I feel that all of 介意, 在意 and 在乎 more appear in negative sentences.










semantic nuance -

Sometimes 介意/在意/在乎 are interchangeable but sometimes they're different.

我不介意 can mean I don't have personal preference about things done to me. Generally, nothing
will affect the Subject's emotion/mind or make the Subject react towards it. In other words, doing
or not doing things is ok with the Subject; The Subject can take it.

我不在意 can mean I don't care (about things which may provoke any emotions.) in 2 ways: one
is similar to the above 我不介意, and the other is the Subject does not give a damn about
things been done or not. The difference is the Subject can leave it.

我不在乎means the same as 我不在意 in the second sense: I don't give a damn.

在乎/ 在意 is often in the dialogues between lovers or couples.
你在乎/意過我嗎? Have you ever cared about what I feel?
But you won't say 你介意過我嗎? when it means the above.

Read the following dialogues:
A: 我覺得每個人都應該要結婚. 不結婚很不對.
I think everyone should get married. Not getting married is totally wrong.
B: 我不介意/不在意你有這樣的想法, 但我也不在乎/不在意你的想法.
誰說人就一定要結婚的?!
I don't mind you have such a thought. But I don't care what you think. Who says that people should
get married?!
A: 可是如果沒有結婚, 別人就會用異樣的眼光看你,
你不介意/你不在乎/你不在意嗎?
But if you're not married, people will look at you differently. Don't you mind/care?
B: 我不會! 你介意/在乎/在意嗎?/
I won't! Do you?

Hope it helps!


EDIT: Thank you, HK, for your correction. The original wrong characters 意樣的 has been
corrected into 異樣的.










HashiriKata -

Thank you both againstwind and semantic nuance for spending the time. Through your explanations, I
feel a bit more confident with these words now, and I'm sure they'll gradually sink in. They also
reminded me of the love song: 我只在乎你.


SN, from your translation of the example, there seems to be a 不 missing. Or is this the way it
should be ?

A: 可是如果沒有結婚, 別人就會用意樣的眼光看你,
你不介意/你不在乎/你不在意嗎?
But if you're not married, people will look at you differently. Don't you mind/care?

=> 可是如果沒有結婚, 別人就會用不一樣的眼光看你,
你不介意/你不在乎/你不在意嗎?










semantic nuance -

Oops! Typo, typo, typo!! It should be 異樣的眼光.

Sorry about the typo!










39degN -

我不介意 I don't mind (something wasnt but may be happened)
我不介意你打我两巴掌.
I don't mind if you slap me in the face.

我不在意 I don't mind (something happened already)
她这么对我, 我不在意.
I dont mind she treated me this way.(coz i love her or whatever)

我不在乎 I don't care/ I won't pay attention to
爱怎么着怎么着,我不在乎.
Whatever, I don't care.

Just MHO.










trien27 -

My translations aren't enough to keep the definitions apart? They're telling you all three mean
the same and that's good enough to tell them apart? how can "I don't care" and "I wasn't aware/
paying attention" ever be the same? No matter what language you speak, they never mean the same
thing!










olayie -

介意 and 在意 to me are interchangable. however, 介意 is more formal than 在意。both
means "mind"

在乎 means care, not bothered.












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Monday, November 3, 2008

HSK - Pinyin Translation -








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brethart88 -

I need a translation for this questions in pinyin
i just started studying chinese so i don't know these questions

1. Ni zhu zai na?

2. ri ben zai shen me di fang?

3. ni ba ba mei tian zen me shang ban?

4. ni xiang zuo shen me gong zuo?

5. zhong guo da, hai shi tai guo da?

6. qi zi xing che, zuo chu zu che, na yi xiang jiao tong gong ju zui kuai?

7. xian zai ji dian le?

8. yi tian ou ji ge xiao shi?



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1. Ni zhu zai na?
Where do you live?

2. ri ben zai shen me di fang?
Where is Japan?

3. ni ba ba mei tian zen me shang ban?
How does your father go to work?

4. ni xiang zuo shen me gong zuo?
What type of work do you want to do?

5. zhong guo da, hai shi tai guo da?
Is China big, or is Thailand big? (maybe the intended quesiton is to ask which one is bigger?)

6. qi zi xing che, zuo chu zu che, na yi xiang jiao tong gong ju zui kuai?
Of riding a bike, taking a taxi or using public transportaiton, which is the fastest? (I'm not
quite clear on "yi xiang jiao tong gong ju", but I know that "jiao tong" is traffic. If you could
provide the characters I'd be able to clear this up.)

7. xian zai ji dian le?
What time is it?

8. yi tian ou ji ge xiao shi?
I'm not sure what "ou" should be here--I'm assuming its you3, or have. If so, the question should
be "How many hours are in a day?"










imron -



Quote:

I'm not quite clear on "yi xiang jiao tong gong ju"

This will be 哪一项交通工具⋯⋯, i.e. which mode/method of transportation⋯⋯, p.s. you
should probably let people do their own homework, or at least make an effort at it before giving
them the answers










yohosuff -

3. ni ba ba mei tian zen me shang ban?

this should be:

How does your dad go to work everyday?

Everyday could be implied but this would be a clearer translation.

ni baba zen me shang ban?

this should be:

How does your dad go to work.












HashiriKata -



Quote:

1. Ni zhu zai na?

2. ri ben zai shen me di fang?

3. ni ba ba mei tian zen me shang ban?

4. ni xiang zuo shen me gong zuo?

5. zhong guo da, hai shi tai guo da?

6. qi zi xing che, zuo chu zu che, na yi xiang jiao tong gong ju zui kuai?

7. xian zai ji dian le?

8. yi tian ou ji ge xiao shi?

If one doesn't already know the vocab, I can imagine how difficult it is to look up the vocab in
toneless pinyin.












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Sunday, November 2, 2008

Chinese School - 13 months of Dog Year -








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imron -

13 months of Dog Year, is a page made by a couple of Chinese artists who have made photographic
representations of several different news stories. From the website:



Quote:

The year of 2006 was the year of the dog according to the Chinese lunar calendar. It consisted of
13 months and four Valentine's Days, totaling 385 days. In the same year, Liu Bo and I launched an
art project entitled "13 Months in the Year of the Dog." We picked out two local news stories from
newspapers in Wuhan, restaged the reported scenes, and shot large photographs of them. During this
process, we brought our own imaginations and other everyday experiences such as the secondhand
experiences we had obtained from films, TV and news photos into this project.





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Ding Yiyi -

That's really cool, are there any other Chinese artists that you follow, or do these artists have
any other work?










imron -

Not really, I just came across this somewhere else, and thought others might be interested.












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Saturday, November 1, 2008

Free Chinese Lesson - 在了 - Page 3 -








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HashiriKata Interesting point! Thank you!



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Have a look at the following sentence:
此时,出租车驾驶员吴金龙正在市政府门前待客,因为挎包丢在了后排座上�
��吴金龙根本没有察觉。

In this part of the sentence 因为挎包丢在了后排座上, we have 丢在了. I don't
understand why do we have 了 particle placed after 在 and not after 丢, since 丢 is a verb I
believe. As far as I know, the 了 particle either comes at the end of the sentence or just after
the verb, then why in this sentence it is placed after the preposition 在.










imron -

Moved laser2302's question to thread discussing the same topic.










skylee -

Re #22, I would use 丢了在, as I said in my #7.










HashiriKata -



Quote:

Re #22, I would use 丢了在, as I said in my #7

One can be forgiven for being head-strong , but with structures such as "Verb+在", "Verb+到",
the 了 should be placed at the end, and not split the units in the middle.










skylee -



Quote:

One can be forgiven for being head-strong

Only if one wants to be forgiven.










HashiriKata -

Thanks for your kind confirmation, skylee!














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