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Forum: Speaking and Listening 6th June 2003, 02:12 PM

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Hardest sound to pronounce?

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yes, i find ri difficult to say without stopping...

yes, i find ri difficult to say without stopping & thinking about it. in fact i hate saying
anything that begins with 'r'.

it also depends on the sentence too. sometimes a word that is easy to...



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Forum: Speaking and Listening 2nd February 2005, 01:39 PM

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Why Do You Learn Chinese?(ple help me with the survey)

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Why Do You Learn Chinese?(ple help me with the survey)

:clap My kindest friends, ple help me with this survey!!

1. Why do you learn Chinese? Because you have a Chinese partner? interested in the cousine,
pottery, opera, or you just move there?

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 13th August 2006, 10:47 PM

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dashan 大山, Igor(from taiwan) and any others who have disgustingly good chinese

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Jeff Locker/傑夫 on Taiwanese TV

Hi there everyone.

Has anybody seen an American called Jeff Locker/傑夫on Taiwanese TV? His Mandarin is incredible!
He's published a lot of books in Chinese and he astounded me everytime I saw him on...



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Forum: Speaking and Listening 5th April 2006, 09:45 AM

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Tips for beginners?

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skunkpuppy, my instinct would be that people that...

skunkpuppy, my instinct would be that people that speak tonal languages would have better luck. I
think there's a reason why Asian people love karoake--their tonal languages give them better
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Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st July 2005, 09:01 AM

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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Thank you.

Thank you.



Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st July 2005, 08:28 AM

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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Thanks for answering. This calls for a new...

Thanks for answering.



This calls for a new topic, doesn't it? I want to check with my mainland China penpals, what they
think about it. They think they have freedom of expression. For example, we...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st July 2005, 07:12 AM

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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>>Could anyone teach me how to do that, or...

>>Could anyone teach me how to do that, or we let roddy to do it?
Yes, that's what I meant. Can we let moderators rename it? Anyone can make a typo but because it's
an interesting topic and anyone...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st July 2005, 06:57 AM

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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Thanks, Pangu. I know the attitudes towards the...

Thanks, Pangu. I know the attitudes towards the simplified characters in Taiwan, Hong Kong and
Macau - of course, you can live normal lives just knowing your own language and script. In
S.A.R.'s...



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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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No, it's not. Not sure, what you mean. If you...

No, it's not. Not sure, what you mean. If you mean the keyboard layout - then Q matches with
Russian Я ("Ya"). There is no letter Q in Russian or similar, nor it matches the transliteraton
of Chinese...



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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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I agree that Q was a good choice because you...

I agree that Q was a good choice because you really have to differentiate between Q and CH (what
they currently signify) the sounds are very different but there are not enough letters.



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Forum: Speaking and Listening 23rd January 2004, 04:13 PM

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most embarrassing moment while learning Chinese

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praising the High Tide

I was on a short trip with a delegation of Chinese and foreigners, and they had taken us to see
the High Tide someplace near Shanghai, when the sea level rises more than the river level, causing
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Forum: Speaking and Listening 3rd April 2006, 08:45 AM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Thank you, HK. Now I learn a new simplified word...

Thank you, HK. Now I learn a new simplified word 只 for 隻. Also, my apologies for my hasty
mistake. Thanks for the correction.:)



Forum: Speaking and Listening 2nd April 2006, 09:41 AM

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Marvelous! HK! 8....

Marvelous! HK!



8. 画蛇添足
画蛇添足这个成语是说一个人画蛇的时候，给蛇加上了几隻脚。蛇，本来没�
��脚的，他给蛇加上了脚会有什么结果呢？
据说在战国时代，楚国有一个人请了几个人给他管理寺庙。那天天气很冷，�
��人就叫一个人拿了ㄧ壶酒给这几个人喝。可是一壶酒不够他们几个人喝的��
�他们商量了一会儿，就决定比赛画蛇。谁先画完蛇谁就喝那壶酒：...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 30th March 2006, 02:18 PM

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Good job, bomaci 他养了一大群猴子....

Good job, bomaci

他养了一大群猴子. 因为他天天跟猴子接触所以他能了解猴子的性情.
现在我们就用朝三暮四形容一个常常改变注意,不可相信的人,或是欺骗人的��
�.

Hope it helps!:)



Forum: Speaking and Listening 30th March 2006, 08:50 AM

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我还校稿了好几次 Hope it helps!:)

我还校稿了好几次

Hope it helps!:)



Forum: Speaking and Listening 29th March 2006, 10:38 AM

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守株待兔

It seems that no one keep working on this project. I'll post another one.

守株待兔

守株是守在一棵樹的旁邊.待兔是等ㄧ個兔子來.
你看,這個農夫守在這棵大樹旁邊等著兔子來呢!
他為什麼不種田而在這兒等兔子呢? 兩千多年前的ㄧ天,
宋國的ㄧ個農夫正在田裡除草的時候,
忽然看見一隻兔子飛快地跑過來撞到一棵大樹上....



Forum: Speaking and Listening 23rd March 2006, 11:36 PM

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you may check #30 on page 3 of this thread. 走馬看花...

you may check #30 on page 3 of this thread. 走馬看花 was done by HarishiKata.:)



Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st March 2006, 07:44 PM

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She did pronounce zi4 for sure. yes, you can. ...

She did pronounce zi4 for sure.
yes, you can. Here in this case 什麼樣-- what kind--=什麼種(類)

Hope it helps!:)



Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st March 2006, 07:11 PM

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Your ears are absolutely sound. She does...

Your ears are absolutely sound. She does pronounce feng2li4 in the first part. But you know
sometimes when we speak or read out, we'll mispronounce. Sometimes when I speak very fast, I will
say 我素...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st March 2006, 10:13 AM

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矛跟盾都是古時候打仗用的武器。自相矛盾這個成語是怎麼來的呢﹖戰國時�
��,有一天,在一個熱鬧的市場裡一個...

矛跟盾都是古時候打仗用的武器。自相矛盾這個成語是怎麼來的呢﹖戰國時�
��,有一天,在一個熱鬧的市場裡一個人賣矛也賣盾。他自誇他的矛跟盾如何如
何好﹐他先拿起他的盾說﹕我做的這個盾是世界上最結實的盾。任何尖銳的�
��西都刺不穿它。他等了半天,看沒有人要買他的盾,他就把盾放下﹐拿起來他
的矛說:我作的矛是世界上最鋒利的矛.不管什麼樣的盾﹐ㄧ刺就可以刺穿。��
�說完了以後﹐一個人問他:你說你的矛是世界上最鋒利的矛。可以...



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不用客氣, HarishiKata. 用一枝箭同時可以射下來兩隻大鳥. Sorry, my...

不用客氣, HarishiKata.

用一枝箭同時可以射下來兩隻大鳥. Sorry, my typing mistake. :P

As for 長孫, you're right, it's a double surname, and it's pronounced as Zhang3sun1 . Also,
these two characters are a set used to...



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十四 一箭雙雕

十四 一箭雙雕

雕是一種大鳥. 這個成語的意思是說一個人很有本事,
用一隻箭同時可以射下來兩隻大鳥. 在中國南北朝的時候,
有一個人姓張*叫孫晟, 他雖然書讀得不多, 但是武藝高強, 尤其會射箭.
皇帝派他出使突厥國.突厥的國王攝圖知道長孫晟的本領很好, 非常賞識他,
常邀他ㄧ起去騎馬打獵. 有一天, 他們又率領大隊人馬去打獵.
他們到了森林以後, 沒看見有什麼野獸, 很失望. 正在這時候,...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 19th March 2006, 08:39 AM

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Well done!!! only very very minute mistakes. 9....

Well done!!! only very very minute mistakes.

9. 东施效颦

What I heard is 模範 from the narrator. However, I think she tried to say 模仿 instead of
模範, though her pronunciation is 模範. 模範 can only be used as...



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两千多年前，杞国有一个人，膽子很小，什么都怕。
如果天掉下来了，我们躲到哪去呀？我们一定死定了。...

两千多年前，杞国有一个人，膽子很小，什么都怕。


如果天掉下来了，我们躲到哪去呀？我们一定死定了。 Yes, you're correct.

This 杞人憂天 reminds me of another similar chenyu--吳牛喘月, which means to be frightened
or fear something too much.

Hope it...



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I was thinking if I deprived the chance of others...

I was thinking if I deprived the chance of others to practice their listening comprehension by
transcribing those chenyus. No problem. I'd be glad to help correct some words if I can.
HarishiKata, I...



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the phonetic 'ㄋ' is pronouced 'n' as in 'n-an...

the phonetic 'ㄋ' is pronouced 'n' as in 'n-an (nan2 難 difficult)', and 'ㄟ' ,'ei' as in 'hei
(黑 black). so, combined together, ㄋㄟ is prounced 'nei'(sometimes the first tone, sometimes
the fifth). You...



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Hehe! It beats me. I think the function of ㄋㄟ is...

Hehe! It beats me. I think the function of ㄋㄟ is like that of 喔, 啊, 咦, etc. It's the
sound when we say it cute. My guess is that it is a variation of 不好意思呢! But I'm not
sure. We just say it that way....



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nipponman, 真不好意思ㄋㄟ. 我下次改進改進!:mrgreen:...

nipponman,

真不好意思ㄋㄟ. 我下次改進改進!:mrgreen: 我會把其他的都留給別人去聽寫.
不是故意的!:mrgreen:

SN



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三. 亡羊補牢

Hi,

I'll contribute another one--三. 亡羊補牢


三. 亡羊補牢

亡羊是羊丟了.補牢是修理羊圈.這個人的羊丟了以後,是不是應該去修理羊圈�
��?很久很久以前,在一個鄉村裡,住著一個牧羊人,
他的名字叫張三.張三家裡養了十幾隻羊,每天早上他都去牧羊.ㄧ天早上,他去
牧羊的時候,發現羊少了一隻. 羊怎麼會丟了一隻呢?...



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这个人到一个姓范的家里去偷东西，范家已经搬家了，东西都搬走了，没有�
��么东西可以偷了，只有一个大钟还留...

这个人到一个姓范的家里去偷东西，范家已经搬家了，东西都搬走了，没有�
��么东西可以偷了，只有一个大钟还留在院子里。

六. 對牛彈琴


那条牛一听见这手像牛蝇飞来飞去的曲子就立刻停止吃草.摇着尾巴,
好像在要赶走牛蝇一样.

Hope it helps!:)



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Oops! I didn't know you didn't want it to be done...

Oops! I didn't know you didn't want it to be done so soon. My apologies! Hope I was not in the way
of some project.:)



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Hi, Ok. Let me be the first to try 揠苗助長...

Hi,

Ok. Let me be the first to try 揠苗助長
(http://www.wellesley.edu/Chinese/Chinese_Fables/spoil/spoil_fable.html). Here's the transcription:

揠苗助長

揠苗是把秧苗拔起來的意思.助長是幫助秧苗長大的意思. 你看,
這張畫上的農夫在拔他田裡的秧苗呢!...



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Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

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Re: Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

I suspect the FSI course, which has hundreds of hours of drills forcing you to make speak out
loud, might get you pretty close to fluency in producing sentences if you were dogged enough about
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Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

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Re: Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

Great question. But a little vague. What do you mean by "work"?

Maybe a good question to ask is: If someone started with no knowledge of chinese, and studied
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Steve Kaufmann - How good is he?

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Re: Steve Kaufmann - How good is he?

The two books "A New Text for a Modern China" are both by the same authors, except the one from
Beijing Univ. has an additional author. Based on the link, the BJ Univ. pub. has only simplified,
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I have to agree that Shanghainese does really...

I have to agree that Shanghainese does really sound like people are having a right argy bargy (and
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Re: How could I get better at tones?

Yeah, I would agree with this. All my tone learning stopped after my 1st yr of Chinese when I had
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It seems obvious that the 4 dots can't represent legs on the horse since those same dots appear in
the symbol for fire and fish and birds which neither have four legs. Can anyone offer any proof
for that meaning of the 4 dots--as legs?

Looking into the history of 鱼 and 鸟 it looks that the 4 dots occurred somewhat by accident but
do have some relation to the animal. For 鱼 the 4 dots are the tips of the upper and lower fins
and the two tips of the rear fins (dorsal, anal, and caudal fins to be technical). The fin tips
got pushed to the bottom of the character over time. There is a video on Youtube showing this.
Wenlin has an even clearer example but I don't have the image online anywhere handy.

For 鸟 the dots are a combination of clawtips and the tail. No real logic on why it ended up at
four, probably to make it look like other animal characters. There is a Youtube of that too.



Quote:

In my plan above, I'm stuck on the very first, most popular character. What does a ladel in the
(rising) sun have to do with genitive as well as simple and composed adjectives? It appears I will
need help in connecting characters ideas into the meaning especially in the case of abstract ideas.

That's the trouble with this sort of system. It works on enough characters to make it look
plausible, but in a lot of cases you are back to plain memorization, or come up with elaborate
stories like the one about the magic spoon. Use these tricks where you can, but understand that in
most cases the components of the characters don't supply a whole lot of meaning. One of the first
illusions broken when learning Chinese is when you find out that most characters aren't pictures
of anything. Next is when you discover that most characters aren't formed on meaning, but rather
are something akin to a rebus. Then you find that the rebuses were done a long time ago when
characters were pronounced differently. This doesn't mean that you can't take advantage of the
more pictographic characters, or the ones that have meaningful components or the ones that provide
good sound clues. You just can't expect there to be a system based on these that will work
everywhere.



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imron -

This is the book I was talking about. 汉字书写入门.










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And when you look at the characters 量liáng, 查chá and 昼zhoù, all of which have the 旦
component, you can see how useful this approach is.

Interesting topic!

查

It's shape follows 木 and it's pronounciation follows 且 in ancient. So it's lower part 旦 is
just an evolved form. (By <<说文解字>>)

Someone may ask me why 查 is pronounced as 'Cha2' instead of 'Qie 且'.This deal with the ancient
chinese pronounciations. The ancient chinese has more than 4 tones.

In ancient China, 查/阻/咀 have the same pronounciation.

I am an English learner. My english is not good. Hope you can understand.










m.ellison -

There are two new books on this principle, by Matthews and Matthews and by Heisig and Richardson.

The Heisig book (which has not appeared yet) is the subject of its own thread in this forum.










Volapuk49 -

I went to Professor Tienzen Gong's site: http://www.chinese-word-roots.org/

This describes the book which began this entire discussion. It is back in print.

Here is what especially got my attention. The ordering info:

Buy now (paper back) $400, new edition, 305 pages. (No return)

I sent him an e mail asking how he arrived at this price.

Any substantive comments? Has anyone actually used this book?












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usna_mori -

I have a question , I´m studing simplifies chinese , but got a comic in traditional chinese and
it has (name)-大人 for honorific , and is used like - sama in japanese , is it used in
simplified chinese too???? =)



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skylee -

usna_mori, it has nothing to do with simplified or traditional Chinese. The term is just used to
translate "-sama". Nowadays, 大人 is not used in either simplified/traditional Chinese or
Mainland China/Taiwan to address a person of a high status. It was used in the past (like
pre-1911). In HK, however, sometimes you might find the term used in some court drama in the form
of "法官大人" ("your honour" when address the judge in a court).










fireball9261 -

Nowadays, 大人 could also be used in joking with your friends or parents or wives or girlfriends.

I think the term 閣下 is still used formally in certain situations in Chinese societies. I
usually use it when I am using it as a term to speak to someone who I want to express my feelings
of wanting to keep the listener as a far away stranger and a possible enemy. It is a way for
respectful sacarsm.










muyongshi -



Quote:

I think the term 閣下 is still used formally in certain situations in Chinese societies.

I see it all the time at restaurants here in mainland!










fireball9261 -

Yes. 閣下 would be used in a very well mannered and formal setting, especially if the
businessmen want to make people feel respected and upper class. The same thing as "夫人" for the
wives of higher level Chinese.












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Hi,

I recently saw these characters in a calligraphy wondering what they might mean.



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muyongshi -

It is very unclear what some of it is but here is what I am able to surmise:

但有学, 向___能
未有__, (combination of 文 and 子) 而能

But those who have studied are able to face/towards (something)
Their future has (something), and (something) has the ability

Sorry that can't get any more specific but those 2 characters make no sense and have no clue what
they are. The 文 and 子 combo is not a character but in my mind may be an attempt to say 文字
so maybe saying an education gives ability....










Li Yuzuo -

但有学而不能，未有不学而能

there is only someone who has learned but he can not do all things,
never will be someone who has not learned but he can do all things.










neverain -

in fact there are several characters that I can't figure out.....












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Quote:

I bought a large variety of cheese and brought them in so now the students have a vocabulary that
includes brie, camembert, Edam, cheddar and philadelphia. There is no way they would have learned
any word beyond 'cheese' without personal experience.

In case anyone is interested, they liked Edam and brie. They didn't like cheddar. Favorite was
German smoked cheese and philadelphia cream cheese which I now sell to the students and my
colleagues.

Can I please please come to your class?!!! Not much of all this heavenly food to find in Shantou
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gato -

There's hypothetically a danger of giving away the plot, but in this case, I don't think that's
too much of a problem. Just be discreet.



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What I find both appealing and annoying about this story is that it offers us a brief glimpse into
the lives of these characters, but then stops without filling in the details. I realise this is
quite possibly the author's whole intention, but after reading the story, there's so much more I
want to know about the characters, that we can now only guess at through idle speculation - like
for instance how does someone who speaks at least 4 languages end up living destitute in a slum.

I also think that going by passages is a good way to go, as it gives slower readers and/or busy
people time to read along and participate. Otherwise you'll get people wanting to move onto the
next story, or talking about future events, before everyone's finished reading. Remember, it is
after all suppossed to be book of the month.










muyongshi -



Quote:

What I find both appealing and annoying about this story is that it offers us a brief glimpse into
the lives of these characters, but then stops without filling in the details.

I agree with you. I personally don't like the idea of a story missing the whole conclusion of the
matter. (oh wait have we spoiled the ending ) but in terms of the way he writes I enjoy the style.

I guess though his intention wasn't, as you said, to give us a biography but to simply illustrate
a certain time of his life...










imron -

I don't like it from a story perspective, but I like it for the effect it has - that it makes you
think about the characters and the lifes they lead. After all, if he went on to fill in all the
backstory, and then what happens next, there would be nothing left for you to think about. That
would make for a more complete story, but wouldn't stimulate the mind so much.










muyongshi -



Quote:

but wouldn't stimulate the mind so much.

Exactly...I hate stories that stimulate my mind










文言訓開班 -

Alright, it's Tuesday and I'm just sitting down to start 第二回 My apologies. I've got an idea
as to where this is going to go, though I'm not positive, but I don't mind if people give
spoilers, frankly. The biggest two things I want to get out of my first few ventures into contempo
Chinese lit is vocabulary and getting accustomed the the writing voice, or style. So please, feel
free I didn't know if people wanted to read these pieces, then discuss together at the same
time....while I acknowledge that everyone being on the same piece at once makes things easier,
this is the internet, and what each one of us says isn't going to disappear if we're not around to
listen like it would in a face-to-face discussion group

So, first thoughts. First, I'm not convinced that 破书 means dilapidated books. The story starts
pretty abruptly with him unemployed and kicking around the slums of shanghai, and by the end of
the chapter, I feel like I've got a pretty good idea of what kind of character this is. I know
beatniks like this, and they keep books forever. I think 破书 are books he's read, and he's
trying to establish himself as a beatnik or something to that effect.

I don't really feel confident on judging the writing style. I think I find the Chinese
light-hearted and kind of fun, though.


Also, Imron


Quote:

Remember, it is after all suppossed to be book of the month

While I am busy and would love to drag this out for a month, I'll acknowledge that I'm the
straggler here....it's book of the month, but it's book of the month, and this ain't no book










文言訓開班 -

As for where this story's going (第二回正短了), I was way off. I actually think I'm going to
like this story a lot, though I'll see where it goes from here. From here, I'm interested in
seeing how the author develops or what he learns in the rest of this story. My guess is that this
is going to be a guilt trip about him worrying so much about theoretical questions as to what type
of person he is while people right next to him are happy to just make it through the day before
breaking even. My sense is, though, that the author's more clever than this.

Also, does anyone know what 煙 are in this context? They're cigarettes, right? The girl packages
cigarettes? does 吃煙 mean to smoke?










文言訓開班 -

also, this story's dated to be from 1923. can we forget i called him beatnik?










gato -



Quote:

吃煙

吃香烟 is Shanghainese for 抽烟. The story was written when Mandarin still wasn't
standardized, and the author uses some Shanghainese phrases in the story. In Shanghainese, you'd
even 吃汤 instead of 喝汤 (I think).










studentyoung -



Quote:

I realise this is quite possibly the author's whole intention, but after reading the story,
there's so much more I want to know about the characters, that we can now only guess at through
idle speculation - like for instance how does someone who speaks at least 4 languages end up
living destitute in a slum.



Quote:

“你家在什么地方？何以不回家去？”

她问到了这里，我忽而感觉到我自己的现状了。因为自去年以来，我只是一�
��一日的萎靡下去，差不多把“我是什么人？”“我现在所处的是怎么一种��
�遇？”“我的心里还是悲还是喜？”这些观念都忘掉了。经她这一问，我重
新把半年来困苦的情形一层一层的想了出来。所以听她的问话以后，我只是�
��呆的看她，半晌说不出话来。她看了我这个样子，以为我也是一个无家可��
�的流浪人。脸上就立时起了一种孤寂的表情，微微的叹着说：

“唉！你也是同我一样的么？”

I think it might be the author’s intention, too. Maybe 郁达夫tried to express the meaning of
the famous verse by 白居易，”同是天涯沦落人，相逢何必曾相识Fellow sufferers
sympathize with each other, why bother to know who you are.”

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aafrophone -

Okay everyone, this is your chance to show your Handwriting Skills. All you have to do write a
paragraph or a few sentences (in Chinese) by hand. Then, Scan it, and upload it to here. Then you
can be giving suggestions for improvement for your handwriting. Everyone should try it!



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yonglin -

is this thead for native speakers or for learners of chinese...?!

if you're looking for the former, there are already a good couple of threads about that around
already.

if you're looking for the latter, i doubt your responses will be very interesting. a quote from a
chinese teacher of mine: 欧美同学写汉字都写得像小学生一样. i don't think this is
very far from the truth, although there are of course slightly better and slightly worse varities.










lokki -

Ok, I'll have a go. Comments?
- Incidentally 像小学生一样 does not strike me as a particularly bad rating. I'd be proud to
be at that level










adrianlondon -

Oh that's cheating! That's not just something you knocked up using a Bic and a scrap of paper you
had lying around, that's proper paint, brush and shufa stuff.

And it's pretty good! I did a few lessons of calligraphy and although some of my characters looked
fantastic, consistency wasn't one of my skills.










lokki -



Quote:

that's proper paint, brush and shufa stuff.

Faber Castell "PITT artist pen" actually. One of those pens with a soft pointed tip that bends and
adapts to pressure giving similar results as with a brush. Very handy for shufa. Sorry for
cheating, though I take it as praise. But I'll run a scan of my "normal" scribblings as well a
little later.

And thanks for the comment. I know what you mean about consistency. I guess this is another one of
those things that ultimately boil down to the three familiar P's: Practice, practice and practice.










bottledpoetry -

wow. looks like something I'd read off an instant noodle cup. Nice!










skylee -

Also see this thread -> Requesting some handwriting samples










shibole -

Have you compared the PITT artist pen against others? Mine in order of best to worst:

1. Pentel ColorBrush
2. Sailor Profit Brush Pen
3. Sakura Pigma Brush

The Pentel ColorBrush is the closest to the real 毛筆, with real hairlike bristles. The sailor
profit has bristles that are a bit too inflexible and isn't as good, but you can fill it like a
fountain pen with a converter (don't need to buy refills). The Pigma Brush really sucks as it has
a felt tip, most similar to your PITT artist pen though hopefully yours has a better tip. The
pigma brush tip seems to frey very easily.

Others I haven't tried yet:

- Kuretake Brush Pen (similar to the Sailor Profit, but no converter)
- Pentel Pocket Brush (synthetic bristles, no converter)
- Sailor Superscript (a fountain pen with a special bent nib)
- Other Chinese Calligraphy Fountain Pens similar to the Sailor Superscript

I get decent results with a normal fountain pen too. I really think people should learn to write
Chinese with a normal fountain pen. Fountain pens are just cool regardless though as I can mix my
own ink and fill them from bottles of ink.

BTW, the brush pens are called 軟毛筆 in Chinese.










LiYuanXi -

I think it's a nice idea to start the handwriting thread so that new users like me (perhaps I am
not so new but I disappeared for years!) can take part.

I will post up mine when I am free










lokki -

Thanks shiluobote for that list of different pens. No, I haven't tried any of the other ones yet,
but your info will come in handy when I do.

Here's a sample of my "normal" handwriting ("Pilot DR drawing pen"). It's just a scan of one of my
daily exercises - I didn't sit down and write it specifically for this thread.

You can probably see that I am still at a stage where I draw each character separately and rather
carefully and slowly, without the characteristic "flow" of handwriting proper. When I try doing it
more quickly the result deteriorates very rapidly.

I'd appreciate suggestions on how to progress from this point on towards a more natural
native-like flow in my handwriting. Comments are welcome.












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laser2302 -

Read this line:

古代人40多岁已是人生尾巴阶段，但现代人40多岁却正处日正当中。

In the last part of the sentence '但现代人40多岁却正处日正当中' --- 但 is followed
by 却. Both of these words mean 'But' or does 却 has a different meaning, or is it some sort of
a pattern of 但...却. I also see the same pattern in other sentences. I just don't understand
why we put two 'buts' in the same sentence? Please help me understand that.



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JasonTsia -

Here, "却" means "..., on the contrary, ...".










Etwood -

Yes, 却 means something like 'contrary to logical belief', so with 但, it sort of has the
meaning of 'but contrary to popular belief'. Hope that helps!










magudo -

usually i will say
"古代人40多岁已是人生尾巴阶段，现代人40多岁却正处日正当中"
or "古代人40多岁已是人生尾巴阶段，但现代人40多岁正处日正当中"

I think use "但" and "却" in a same sentence is kind of wrong










JasonTsia -

I can't see any wrong in sentence like "但现代人40多岁却正处日正当中". Of cause , you
can say "现代人40多岁却正处日正当中" and "但现代人40多岁正处日正当中". But
by adding "却" after "但"， you emphasize the contrast between the two parts. Similarly, you
can say “然而...却..." , “而...却...".












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cdn_in_bj -

It has happened to me twice recently where I'll have a bit of beer at lunch and end up with a
really bad headache later in the afternoon that lasts until the next morning. And it's not like
I've gotten myself drunk - we're talking one big bottle of Yanjing, so it's not even enough to get
a good buzz going.

At first I thought that maybe there was methanol in the beer or that I had somehow become alergic
to alcohol, but after some analysis I wonder if's a combination of the beer plus what I ate. Both
times I did have fish-boiled-in spicy-oil, so could it have been a bad reaction between the beer
and Sichuan pepper? It wouldn't surprise me if there's something about the Sichuan pepper as it
was banned in Canada for a long time.

Has anyone else experienced this? I have a friend coming to visit me next week, and it would
really suck to not be able to drink!



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muyongshi -

Never! I don't think it has a connection as I have spicy (and do I love my spice) Sichuan food
everyday and more often than not it is accompanied by a nice cold one (well I imagine it's cold
more than it really is).

Maybe you are just turning Chinese and get drunk after one or two small cups










chabuduo -

Yeah I've never had a problem with Sichuanese food and alcohol. Although a drink in the middle of
the day is best followed by a glass or two of water and a short nap.

That being said I've never experienced bad headaches after just one big bottle. Could it be that
the particular restaurant you visited used way too much MSG in their food and you had a reaction
to that? But if that was the case you'd be getting headaches after every meal no matter where you
ate.

Could be that the beer was fake.










Colossus -

You sure it wasn't the fish? Everyone I've spoken to here says to stay away from the fish.










imron -

I don't drink much, but I've noticed that sometimes I'll also get similar headaches from some
Chinese beers. Again this is from only drinking small amounts, like for example sharing half a
bottle with someone or from one glass of draught. Yanjing was one in particular that I noticed it
would happen with, and now, on the occasions where I'm likely to have a drink, I'll avoid Yanjing
beer if I can help it.










pandaface -

Maybe you got fake one










trevelyan -

Different restaurants?










Tommi -

It could be because of 香菜 (coriander), it's happened a couple times to me before figuring out
the source, so now I always ask for no 香菜 in anything. I really don't drink any alcohol, so
that couldn't be the reason either. And there's really nothing wrong with sichuanese or the fish
here, you can rule out those reasons too.










flameproof -

If it's not an allergic reaction it could be:

You are sensitive to that brand of beer (I am very sensitive to the wrong beer and get a terrible
headache. However, Yanjing has quite a high standard. But I presume your Yanjing is "local". Or
maybe it was fake, Yanjing is a famous brand and certainly gets faked in China too.

You are sensitive to MSG (I get an itchy skin with too much).

Something in the food. Coriander is a little unlikely since it's common all over China. Typical
for Sichuan, and only there, they often add "Flower Pepper", that spicy numbing stuff.










imron -



Quote:

It could be because of 香菜 (coriander), it's happened a couple times to me before figuring out
the source, so now I always ask for no 香菜 in anything

Not for me, I love coriander. Anyway, as for the headaches, it was probably just the formaldehyde.
Sure it's a carcinogen, but formaldehyde levels in Chinese beer are lower than WHO standards,
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該:
i know that this word means "should," but how come I often see it used in confusing ways?

e.g. 該資訊中心表示，患者罹病的形態輿去年秋天的情況非常相似，。。。
他企圖改變話題而將該問題一帶而過。

thanks in advance (how would u say that in chinese?)



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Quest -

It can mean "this".
先谢了。










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該（该），has several meanings and can be combined with other characters to form a phrase.

A. “该” , short for “应该”, means “should/ought to”.
For example, 你应该努力学习了。 你该努力学习了。

B. “该”, means “this”.

C. “该”, means “be one's turn to do sth”.
For Example, “In a class, a teacher asked his students to tell a joke one by one. You were the
fifth student to do it. When the fourth finished, the teacher said to you, Hey, 82riceballs,
该你了! / or该你讲了! /or 该你讲笑话了！”

D. “活该”, means deserve.
For Example, 你活该！You deserve it!

E. “该死”, means damn it.
For Example, one day you invited your girlfriend to have dinner together in a beautiful
restaurant. When you both finished the meal, you said to your girlfriend,
“该死！我今天忘记带钱包了！”










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thanks!












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muyongshi -

I also like 子 in writing calligraphy.... don't know but I prefer the simpler ones... they look
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衣 or anything with an 衣 like thing in it.

Same here. My absolute favourite is 袁, mainly for being so dynamic. It really looks like it is
on its way somewhere. Other favourites are 说 and 总.

Other ones conjure up funny associations, like 某, which looks like a cow coming towards you,
legs astride, on a motorcycle. I normally stick to simplified characters, but the traditinonal 萬
is funny. It looks like a raging bull charging straight at you, with the horns on top of its head
and you-know-what hanging between its legs .

Then for some reason I have taken a dislike to 青, especially in the many combinations where it
makes up one half of the character. Can't explain it but I just find it boring to write.










ayala -

My favorite character is

安

i jusy love everything about it!
the shape (almost symmetrical but still soft), the sound, the meaning.

if i had the courage i would have tattooed it on my body.










Lu -



Quote:

like 某, which looks like a cow coming towards you, legs astride, on a motorcycle

Great association. And it even sounds like that! (mou)










liuzhou -

串

Perfect simplicity - on a stick.










skylee -



Quote:

串

Perfect simplicity - on a stick.

On a stick as a 串 of fishballls.










xuuuu -

how about "爱"？In Chinese it means LOVE










skylee -



Quote:

how about "爱"？In Chinese it means LOVE

Now that you've mentioned it, I just wanna say that IMHO the traditional character "愛", which
has a heart inside, is so much nicer than the simplified "爱", which only has a friend inside.










Yiwan -

Speaking of which, I do like traditional Chinese better for looking more beautiful. When comes to
actually writing, I prefer simplified. You get the point.










Rrina -

I'm actually surprised nobody has yet listed here yu3, the rain character:

雨

Now that I'm trying in earnest to learn to read I've found so many beautiful characters but this
one has a special place because it was the first one I was able to remember. ''Rain falling
through a window'' was the way it was described to me.












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shunyadragon -

When the stories of Chinese holidays and festivals come to us in condensed versions we do not
always get the whole story. When I lived in China I made an effort research in more depth the
holidays and festivals of China. What is called the Dragon Boat Festival is somewhhat misleading
as to the true nature and origins of the festival. It is indeed the Dragon Festival, and there is
much more to the story than most Chinese and foreigners realize.

Dragon Festival

The Dragon Festival, 端午节 Duanwu Jie or 端阳节 Duanyang Jie, sometimes called the Dragon
Boat Festival, is celebrated some time in June on fifth day of the fifth lunar month. The origins
of the festival are likely very ancient. According to Wen Yiduo 闻一多(1898-1946), a modern
poet and scholar this festival had its beginnings over 5,000 years ago in the ancient kingdoms of
Wu and Yue located in present day Jiangsu and Zhejiang Provinces. The celebration of this festival
was likely inspired as ceremonies, sacrifices and offerings to the Dragon of the Eastern Sea to
prevent the floods, drought, and plagues of insects and disease that often occurred around this
time of year.

This day was considered to be the beginning of an important period in the change of seasons that
could make it a bountiful year or a very bad year. It was considered a day that could possibly
bring bad fortunes, because of the potential for spring and summer disasters. The purpose of most
of these ceremonies was to appease the great Father Dragon of the Eastern Sea and other gods to
prevent drought, floods, plague, insect swarms like grasshoppers, and diseases. The throwing of
zongzi in the river was originally part of this ceremony. Many of the ancient ceremonies and
traditions are still commonly practiced on China, though they mostly do not have the same meaning
today. The overwhelming threat of floods, drought, plagues and disease is not as great today.
Modern science and technology has replaced these beliefs with alternative solutions to these
problems.

Traditionally in ancient times offerings, like 粽子zongzi first described as rice or millet
filled bamboo tubes were thrown into the river or sea to appease the dragon. Zongzi is a popular
traditional dish eaten all year in South China, and it became the central food representing the
tradition of Dragon Festival all over China. It takes many forms and uses different fillings
around China, but the most common form is a triangular four point wrapping made of a wide bamboo
or reed leaf common in China. The practice of wrapping the zongzi in leaves is said to begin
during the reign of Emperor Guangwu (25-26 AD) of the Han Dynasty when Qu Hui saw a man near the
traditional site where 屈原Qu Yuan committed suicide on the Miluo River. The man told Qu Hui he
was the Minister in charge of three aristocratic families of the Chu Kingdom. He also told him,
“It is okay to make offerings in memory of me by throwing packaged rice into the river. In the
past the fish ate all the rice in the bamboo tubes, therefore in the future please wrap them in
Chinaberry leaves and tie them with colored thread. The fish will be afraid of these two things
and will not eat your offerings.”

Today zongzi filling varies, but the main filling consists of white millet called glutinous rice
and possibly yellow millet, or a mix of the two. In the south the zongzi are usually larger and
contains salty dried pork, beef or chicken, or a salty egg yolk. In the north they are smaller and
may contain Chinese dates, peanuts, walnuts, or other stuff, and they are often eaten with sugar.
Some eat their eggs before sunrise, and some dye the eggs red.

"Fetching noon water" was the traditional practice of getting water from a well at noon, believing
it had special medicinal properties to cure illness, and an egg that is stood on its end at twelve
o'clock means a whole year of good luck. Some. Especially childern knock two eggs together and
which ever one does not break promises the winner good luck, health and fortune.

Rainbow colored decorations and adornments are common today as a part of the festival. The
decorations range from simple forms of folded paper to elaborate colorful folk crafts. Many people
wear bracelets made of five colors of thread or string on their wrists or ankles. The colors vary
but seem to always include red, yellow and blue. Other colors used are white, pink, black and
green. In some places the traditional colors chosen are the same as those that are use to paint
the dragon boats in the race. These ornaments were believed to offer protection against disease
and misfortune. They put these on sometime between the first day of the fifth lunar month, Dragon
Festival Day and take them off and throw them into a running stream during the first heavy rain
after that day. One story I was told is that the five color thread turns into a baby dragon as it
journey’s to the sea. Other colorful items include red or rainbow colored paper gourds, and
mythical figures.

Mythical persons also play a role in the festival. Placing a picture of 钟馗Zhongkui, the
legendary ghost catcher, on the front door to guard the house is still commonly done today. Small
stuffed colorful human figures, and the animals of the Chinese astrology are hung around the
house. Monkeys with a club in their hand are especially popular in some areas.

Dragon boat racing is an important part of the festivities, particularly in the soth along the
larger rivers and in is reality older than the death of 屈原Qu Yuan, whom some believe the race
commemorates the search for him after he jumped into the river. It began in the south along the
Chang Jiang River and its tributaries, but they are now performed elsewhere in China today where
there is a large river. Dragon boats are about 20 to 40 meters long, made to look like a dragon,
and painted red, white, yellow, green and black. The races begin with a ceremony honoring the
Dragon King.

Other traditions focused on traditional medicines and practices that were intended to prevent or
cure illnesses that were common in the summer. The herbs used in this period included wormwood,
mugwort, elsholtzia (Aromatic Madder) and cattail. These leaves are placed around the house
usually above doors and windows. Baths, salves and balms using herbal medicines are widely used.
Children wear necklaces with bags of herbs. Some use a branch from the peach tree with immature
peaches, and sometimes wrap it with the herbs. Other traditions include placing wormwood or
mugwort leaves behind the ear before sunrise on Dragon Festival.

Realgar was believed to be an antidote for poisons, cure for disease, and effective in driving
away evil spirits and insects. Traditionally many men drank ‘Spring red liquor’, which was
white liquor colored with realgar, and it was used to write wang, the character for king on the
forehead of male children. Some still drink this or some variation of traditional white liquor
with their zongzi. Unfortunately Realgar is Arsenic sulfide and potentially very poisonous.

Later the people of the Chu Kingdom began to commemorate the death of 屈原Qu Yuan (~340-278 BC),
the famous poet and advisor to the king during the last years of the Chu Kingdom during the
Warring States Period (475-221 BC). At about the young age of 36 Qu Yuan became an important
advisor in the royal court of the three aristocratic families of the Chu Kingdom. Qu Yuan proposed
the development of peaceful relations and alliances with other states in this turbulent period,
because the Chu Kingdom was relatively weak. He was opposed by the more ambitious and corrupt Jin
Shang, the king’s aide, and Zhenxiu, the Queen’s consort. The honorable devoted Qu Yuan lost
favor in the court and he was banished by the king.

Living in exile Qu Yuan wrote many poems expressing his sorrow and distress for declining corrupt
state of affairs of the Chu Kingdom. At about 278 BC the Qin Kingdom defeated the Chu and captured
the capital.Qu Yuan was heart broken, because his beloved Chu Kingdom lay in ruins, disgraced and
betrayed by the corrupt royal families. In despair Qu Yuan committed suicide by holding a stone in
his arms and jumped into the Miluo River near present day Changsha in Henan Province. The
traditional belief among the Chu people is that Qu Yuan committed suicide on the fifth day of the
fifth lunar month. This symbolic self-sacrifice by Chu Yuan may have be made at this time in the
tradition of Chinese custom to make sacrifices at this time to prevent disasters from befalling
the people of the Kingdom. In commemoration of Chu Yuan’s passing the people of Chu continued
the tradition of throwing bamboo tubes filled with rice into the Miluo River on Dragon boat
Festival Day in memory of him as people all over China continue to do today. Chinese chose this
day as a memorial to patriots, because of Chu Yuan’s sacrafice to his country. Today, throwing
zongzi in the river is said to feed the fish and/or the dragon to prevent them from eating Chu
Yuan.

Many of China’s traditions, festivals, cultural characteristics, early technological
achievements can be traced to the region of Zhijiang and Jiangzu Provinces indicating that it is
the likely primary region of origin of Chinese culture and civilization.


Frank

Go with the flow the river knows

Turn weapons into peace and friendship with gifts of jade-silk.
化干戈为玉帛



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Sometimes I see 这 written with 2 dots over the radical and sometimes it is only one. In Pleco it
has 2 dots (but not in the magnified frame) and in other places it has only one. Pleco isn't the
only place I've seen this (HanziHelper has it too, but only when you print out character practice
sheets). Is it a variation or is it an error?



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muyongshi -

Which radical? I just checked my pleco and there isn't two dots (at all). Not sure what it is that
you are seeing...










skylee -

The difference may be due to different print fonts.

As far as I know, this is how the character should be written ->
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OneEye -

Skylee, I think that's what it is. Some of the characters look like different characters in Pleco
than in other fonts. 还 is another, and 着. I think some of them have to do with the size of the
fonts, so certain strokes don't show up or they get distorted. I'll have to tinker with it (just
got Pleco two days ago).












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Luoman -

I`ve noticed that the pronunciation of some characters in dictionaries and in reality differs a
lot.
For example:

熟 in 成熟. Dictionaries say shu2. But everyone seems to say shou2.
血 is xue4 in dictionaries and xue3 in reality.
处 in 处女. It is chu3 in dictionaries and chu4 in reality.
灸 in 针灸. Dictionaries say jiu3, but everyone including Chinese doctors pronounce it as jiu1.

So I want to ask: is it that the dictionaries do not keep up-to-date or everyone`s prononciation
is not right?

Any more examples of this phenomena?



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gougou -

塑料 - suoliao.










muyongshi -



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So I want to ask: is it that the dictionaries do not keep up-to-date or everyone`s prononciation
is not right?

It's both in a way but think about how much work it takes to update a dictionary. It doesn't
happen every year. According to the standard everyone's pronunciation then is wrong. But they do
realize that language morphs and so there is always discussions going on of what changes to make.
But those thing take time. Until they can come to conclusions to change the things everyone's
pronunciation is wrong. But since it takes time all the dictionaries aren't keeping up to date.
Make sense?

Here's another one 一模一样 and even my input has the wrong pronunciation. It should be yi mu
yi yang (don't believe me 查一下) but I think a majority of people say yi mou yi yang.



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风/ 風 should be fēng in 普通话 but almost everybody pronounce it 'fong'.

Never heard this (regional difference?) so I don't think everyone says it.










Luoman -



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but think about how much work it takes to update a dictionary. It doesn't happen every year.

But isn`t there a new edition of 新华字典 nearly every year? So I guess this dictionary is
just being reprinted, not changed, right?










gougou -



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So I guess this dictionary is just being reprinted, not changed, right?

It is being changed, sometimes to public outcry...










muyongshi -

But pronunciations don't change...

And I just talked to some of the profs at my uni (that sounds funny) and they said the majority of
language experts don't believe that they will ever change the official pronunciation system. The
bigger problem in their mind is to get people to say it right. But they also made a odd
distinction between pronunciation 成熟 shou or shu and tone 针灸. How did they make this
distinction you ask? By saying 那是声调的问题。。。










Luoman -

便秘. Everyone says bianmi. Dictionaries say bianbi.










trufflepig -

Mold 模具
dictionary has mu2ju4

everyone else says mou2ju4


yes - someone PL-ease explain 血 - xie3 xue4 ....xue3 to me.... this has been bugging me for years










muyongshi -

Do a search please...this has been discussed so many times it hurts my head!

But because I'm so bloody nice...

http://www. /showthread.php?t=4593

http://www. /showthread.php?t=9706

模 character is very interesting it is pronounced wrong now in two situations... hmm
要研究一下










muyongshi -

And don't you mean they say it mó not móu?












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