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miranets -

This is not strictly a question about grammar and such but rather a request for members to give me
some ideas about currently interesting/difficult/controversial issues in Chinese linguistics - I
need help to pick an essay topic and I have no clue! Your contributions will be greatly
appreciated.



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David W Jackson -

Well, thanks to everyone for their input. I now have my letter of release and a new job in BJ. For
anyone else struggling to get their heads round the visa thing this link at Dave's is useful:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/vi...1087ffcd5f4c20

Have a great holiday.
David



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David W Jackson -

My sense of relief was premature it seems. Here's the actual sitrep: I am due to start a new job
on the 14th of May in Beijing. On the one hand my new boss says he doesn't know whether he must
apply for a new Z visa for me whilst at the same time telling me my existing papers (by which he
must mean my - now invalid if previous posts are correct - resident permit in my passport) will be
fine for at least 2 months! This seems to run counter to what has been posted earlier re the
permit/visa situation. Earlier posts suggested that once a contract of employment was ended the
permit was no longer at all valid, does also extend to the visa component? My contract is now
ended. I understand that this means my permit is no longer valid. My permit in my passport say it
is valid until May 2008. Is it not? Am I now accruing 500RBM per day debt? Does anybody know the
real score?!? Is my boss right to believe that I have two months grace within which to do what?:
apply for a new Z visa? Upgrade the existing/no longer valid passport permit?

I'm so confused my head hurts and I can't sleep. Help anyone? Thanks.










roddy -

I am not a lawyer, this is all just as I understand it, etc . . . .

He might not need to get you a new Z visa - the visa just gets you in the country - but your
residence permit should be updated with the new employer and address details. You shouldn't
(although you could quite possibly get away with it) be working in Beijing on a residence permit
that says you are in Qingdao. I wouldn't worry about a transitional period of a month or so,
assuming you can see that they are actually working on it and not just saying 'yeah, we'll get
around to it'.










imron -

Agree with roddy. You probably don't need a new Z visa, but your new boss almost certainly does
have to apply for a new Foreign Expert Certificate and go through the formalities of updating your
residence permit. For this, you will need the letter of release from your previous school, saying
that you are no longer working for them. It shouldn't be too difficult for your school to do this,
and there's no reason why they can't start working on this now, rather than once you start
employment.










roddy -

Yeah, forgot about the FEC - that may also be necessary. You may also hit upon a problem I've had
in the past whereby the Beijng PSB won't take you onto their books until you're officially off the
books wherever you used to be. This meant I once had to EMS my passport from Beijing to Harbin,
but it all worked out.

Basically it's all doable and it's nothing to get worked up about, as long as you can see progress
being made. However, because it's a slightly unusual process - usually people come in, do a job,
leave, rather than change jobs, there's more uncertainty about how to do it all.










David W Jackson -

Thanks Roddy, Imron et al. OK, I think I'm beginning to get it. Don't need a new Z visa. Need to
upgrade/change the resident permit. (From Tianjin to Beijing). There is some grace to do that
without racking up daily fines. I'm assuming - always dangerous - that since I won't be doing the
dancing monkey routine any longer, the FEC is no longer required. As for the Release Letter. All
done and dusted. So it's time for some Bob Marley, a lazy lunch and a chill pill or two or three.
And who knows, maybe tonight I'll sleep like a baby. Duo xie!










roddy -

You'll probably need something to back up the residence permit changes - could be a foreign
experts certificate, could be the less-commonly seen work permit 外国人就业证(?) which comes
via the Ministry of Labor rather than the foreign experts people. Let us know how it works out.










Rincewind -

David you can relax. Even though you don't start working until the 14th, you've signed the
contract. So are employed. Your new employer just has to go down to the PSB with you and their
paperwork and get things rubber stamped. Wouldn't leave it as long as 2 months, but sometime soon.
There is a grace period for all these things, but I wouldn't test how long that grace is. Don't
really see any reason to wait as it only takes a short time to submit the forms. Your employer
probably knows no more about this than you do so take the upper hand and tell him what you want.










imron -

Signed contract or not, if the PSB determines you overstayed your visa/residence permit you'll
still be fined, and your new school will probably also be fined for not processing your paperwork
in a timely manner. This happened to a teacher at the school I used to work at. Get your new
employer to sort things out asap.










Rincewind -

My point was that once you have signed the contract, there is no need to wait untill you are
actaully teaching classes. Tell the empoyer to get on with it. There is no reason to wait other
than that your employer probably wants the May holliday clear.












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钵钵bobo -

Maybe you can name "候艾伦": HOPE sounds like Chinese family name "候", and your name Alan can
be translated into Chinese name "艾伦".



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trien27 -

I have a problem with this: '霍普' as a translation for Hope
First, it's an approximation:
The above two characters when read:
in Mandarin, would read like "huo pu"
in Cantonese, would read like "fok poh"
My question is this: If the above characters were shown to people who don't know either Mandarin
or Cantonese, it would be rendered totally different using different dialectal pronounciation.
From this point onward, nobody could recover the original pronounciation as "Hope" in English. So
why even bother?

HOPE sounds like Chinese family name "候", and your name Alan can be translated into Chinese name
"艾伦"

I beg to differ: In Cantonese, Alan would be used by employing different characters (do a search
for Alan Tam, a Chinese singer from Hong Kong). The surname suggested above 候 is pronounced
"Hou", which in Cantonese would sound nothing like Hope or even "Hou" in Mandarin.










here2learn -

I.) My first piece of advice is to think about if people will really call you/her this name. I
mean will people really actually say the name out loud and expect you/her to respond?
.......A.) If no one will probably ever use it in daily life, I'd go for meaning, hands down.
(that's what I did)
.......B.) If people will really call you/her this out loud, decide if you want to:
............1.) get used to a new sound (going for meaning), or
............2.) if you won't be learning Chinese, but need to recognize your name if someone calls
you, you may want to go the "sounds-sorta-like-it" route.

For example, if your name is Anna, it may be much more natural for you to turn your head in an
office or classroom when you hear something that sounds like "Ahn-na" than some completely
different sounds. It will likely be almost meaningless, but it'll get the job done with ease. If
you go for meaning you'll have to repeat it a lot, have people call you it to get used to it, etc.

II.) My next piece of advice is after you've decided which route to go, ask CHINESE people (or
non-chinese with a lot of experience with names). Don't just use random online tools without
double-checking them with real live humans who are Chinese or have a lot of experience with
Chinese names.












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rezaf -

i have been told that the third tone changes in the sentence but i don't understand it. please
someone help me by correcting this example:
qing3 ni3 xie3 zhe4ge ci2.
ok in this sentence when i speak i change the tones to qing2 ni2 xie3(half tone) zhe4ge ci2. is it
right?



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againstwind -

You may have a look at http://www. /showth...ghlight=sandhi










trien27 -

qing3 ni3 xie3 zhe4ge ci2. I don't know what the other guy was talking about: sandhi? Explanation
of sandhi doesn't makes any sense to me,
All I know is, what's been talked about, is related to music, not spoken words!
I've been taught that when 2 words of which both uses 3rd tones, you change the first one into a
2nd tone>qing3 ni3 xie3 zhe4ge ci2: because xie3, to write, which is the main verb, will not
change tones in this sentence, you will need to change it to >qing2 ni3 xie3 zhe4 ge1 ci2. Ni3
hao3 becomes> Ni2 hao3. qing2 ni3 xie3 zhe4 ge1 ci2 means: Please write out this phrase (for me).
Why are you calling it a sentence, if you wanted someone to write out a phrase?. But if you want
to request something, and know the other person might not do it, use nin2 instead of ni3 in the
above phrase. Nin2 is the more polite term for Ni3. A phrase is shorter than a sentence. A phrase
is a few words, but a sentence requires much more. Exception: Some phrases could also be sentences.












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skylee -

I saw this film today and generally I think my money was well spent. Immediately after the film I
called my brother to tell him to see it too. I think it is what most audience want, an
entertaining and exciting film with a simple plot. I like the colours and the visuals very much. I
find them powerful and highly enjoyable. A local writer here has described this film as “man
到震".

There are reports about Iranians complaining about the image of Persians in the film. The reports
say that they get to watch the film on pirated materials. IMHO the best way for them to fight back
is to make a highly entertaining film that most people would like to see to tell their side of the
story. Oh but this is none of my business.

Trailer with chinese subtitles.



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Peng -

I saw it last Tuesday. Its battle/fight choreography and cinematography are great, kinda eye
candy. I am bit disappointed with historical accuracy. Also, I am amused by how it portray
Orientalism, by having Immortals acted like Ninja, hand grenades, and etc.
but again, it's just a movie. I still recommend this film for visual entertainment.

Why 戰狼/野狼? Because Spartan soldiers pack like wolves? Sometime I see
300/三百斯巴达勇士.

Although it's screened in Hong Kong/Taiwan, is it screened in Mainland China (not pirated one)?












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the_one10100 -

Hello everyone,

I say "nice to meet you" to all since this is my first post here.

The reason I come here hoping I'll find the answer is that I'm looking for the chinese sign(s) for
"existence" or "I am" or something close-related to these terms. If you could give me the answer
and the way to spell it I'll be very grateful.

Thank you in advance and have a nice day!



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Quote:

The reason I come here hoping I'll find the answer is that I'm looking for the chinese sign(s) for
"existence" or "I am" or something close-related to these terms. If you could give me the answer
and the way to spell it I'll be very grateful.

Firstly, they're not signs. They're characters. Secondly, there are different characters for
different situations. The most basiccharacter of existence would be you3 有.










Pravit -

It'd be pretty funny to see "有" used as a tattoo or the logo for some organization, though, if
that's what you're getting at, the_one.










skylee -

You could consider 存在. But if it is for a tattoo, I consider it a bad choice. Why? Take a look
at this post.










amandagmu -

Am I reading into this too much or would you like to know the definition of "I am"/"existence" in
the Descartes or Sartre sense of the word(s)? If so, then it might be helpful to ask someone
proficient in intellectual Chinese terms. I do know that there is no precise definition of
"privacy" in Chinese and that questions of self and individual might be harder to define in
Chinese than in English... they definitely hold more weight in English. Anyways, maybe you should
clarify what kind of definition you're looking for first.
~Amanda










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by amandagmu

I do know that there is no precise definition of "privacy" in Chinese


I am not sure if there is really no precise definition of "privacy" in Chinese. In Hong Kong, a
Chinese territory, there is a Privacy Commissioner's Office to look after the relevant laws. I
would think that if there are laws, the term privacy should be pretty well defined. The Chinese
name of the office is 個人資料私隱專員公署. And 私隱 is a common translation for
"privacy". Here you can find some dicitionary entries for the chinese terms for "privacy".

This however probably is not related to the OP's original questions.










djwebb2004 -

I saw a copy of Heidegger's Being and Time - a work abstruse in any language - translated as :

是于时










djwebb2004 -

是与时










amandagmu -

Well, I was referring to it more in the conceptual sense of the meaning behind the word "privacy"
in English, which usually refers to someone saying they need "privacy" when they want to be alone.
That is, people tend to treasure "privacy" and therefore give it more weight. It's just a simple
difference in terms of meaning. It's like trying to tell people in English what guanxi means in
Chinese. It's not just "relations" or "connections" right?

Anyways, what I think the OP is trying to do is somethin similiar--translate something into
Chinese that has a lot of weight in English but not in Chinese (or which might use a different
word in Chinese to give the same connotation that "I am" or "existence" does in English).










skylee -

Oh then maybe I misunderstood you. I thought you were teasing us for not understanding the concept
of privacy, thus the non-existance of the a definition for the term "privacy" in our language. My
apologies if that was not what you meant.












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nipponman -

Good song, amazing how they translated it into English and kept the rhyme with little loss of
meaning.

Lyrics:

大家同心作戰讓匈奴絕望
為何這群士兵都像個姑娘
你們笨拙散漫又扭捏
我會改變你的前途
要成為男子漢不認輸

紮稳你的步履内心要堅定
開闊你的胸襟求勝要決心
膽小又害怕心亂如麻
你驚慌茫然無助
要成為男子漢不認輸

(我氣喘如牛快斷氣)
(西方極樂等我光臨)
(我看大家全都被他嚇傻了)
(他們膽顫又心驚)
(我的身分還是秘密)
(掉到水裡可會要了我小命)

(男子漢)行動快速像那江河湍急
(男子漢)破壞力像那風暴無情
(男子漢)滿腔熱血像那野火壓境
神出鬼没像那暗夜的噩夢

時光毫不留情匈奴快逼近
聽從我的指令才能夠活命
沙場太殘酷血光殺戮
若害怕踏上歸路
要成為男子漢不認輸

(男子漢)行動快速像那江河湍急
(男子漢)破壞力像那風暴無情
(男子漢)滿腔熱血像那野火壓境
神出鬼没像那暗夜的噩夢

(男子漢)行動快速像那江河湍急
(男子漢)破壞力像那風暴無情
(男子漢)滿腔熱血像那野火壓境
神出鬼没像那暗夜的噩夢

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Koneko -

Link is broken.

K.










nipponman -

Thanks, its fixed now.










Xiao Kui -

I really liked the song.



Quote:

Good song, amazing how they translated it into English and kept the rhyme with little loss of
meaning.

I have a theory that Chinese is easier to rhyme than English because there's a more limited array
of sounds (not counting the tones of course, which I think you can take some liberty ignoring when
it comes to lyrics since the word takes on a musical note in place of a tone)

I think it's also easier to translate songs from English into Chinese than vice versa because most
Chinese words are just 1 or 2 syllables (exception of chengyu, and some proper names, of course)
and many of the 2 syllable words can be shortened to 1 syllable, especially in poetry or
songwriting. Many times in a song you can eliminate words such as 的 in many cases, you can
shorten 因为 to 因 , etc. That makes it easier for the words to fit any melody. Also you can
have melodies with more complex rhythms and wider intervals between notes, without it sounding
weird. With English, all our multisyllabic words and having an accent on a certain syllable,
stricter grammar rules, etc, make fitting lyrics to a melody more difficult. In English if you
restricted the words to 1 or 2 syllables it would not make for a very poetic or lyric-worthy
vocabulary.










skylee -



Quote:

amazing how they translated it into English and kept the rhyme with little loss of meaning

Was it not the other way around (from English to Chinese)?










thph2006 -

The comment about how the Chinese and English versions of the Mulan song maintained the same
meaning brought to mind another theme song I like that had what I think was a very different
result in the translation. It's the "Colors of the Wind" theme from the movie Pocahontas. The
original American version's lyrics have a tinge of scolding/lecturing, whereas I was really
surprised to find the Chinese version was much more of a pure love song. I've always wondered if
the difference was cultural or just to more easily match the Chinese words to the music. Anyone
know? Here are the lyrics to both versions.

Cheers, Tom

凤之彩 Fèng Zhī Cǎi
Colors of the Wind Theme from Pocahontas (Chinese Version)
辛晓琪 Xin Xiao Qi (Winnie Hsin)

我站在风里看著你的来临
wǒ zhàn zài fēng lǐ kàn zhe nǐ de láilín
I stand in the wind, watching your arrival

我想要问你为的是什么
wǒ xiǎng yào wèn nǐ wèi de shì shénme
I want to ask you, what are you doing this for?

请聆听大地万物心中话语
qǐng língtīng dàdì wàn wù xīnzhōng huà yǔ
Please hear the heartfelt words of the land, and all things on earth

它有泪它有喜悲和生命
tā yǒu lèi tā yǒu xǐ bēi hé shēngmìng
They have tears, they have happiness and sorrow, and life

你从来不曾用心看看这里
nǐ cóngláibù céng yòngxīn kànkan zhèlǐ
You've never used your heart to look at this place

怎会发现另一个世界
zěn huì fāxiàn lìngyī gè shìjiè
So how could you realize there's another world?

但我俩在这风中如此相遇
dàn wǒ liǎ zài zhè fēng zhōng rúcǐ xiāngyù
But we two, meeting in the wind like this

这缘份已是多么的神奇
zhè yuánfèn yǐ shì duōme de shénqí
This luck of affinity is already so mystical

你听风在说话说著不朽的情爱
nǐ tīng fēng zài shuō huà shuō zháo bùxiǔde qíng ài
Listen, the wind is speaking, speaking of eternal love

那全世界最温柔的表白
nà quánshìjiè zuì wēnróu de biǎobái
The entire world's most tender confession

如果真爱在你心中永不更改
rúguǒ zhēn ài zài nǐ xīnzhōng yǒng bù gēnggǎi
If true love never changes within in your heart

你会看到风中七色的美丽
nǐ huì kàndào fēng zhōng qī sè de měilì
You will see the seven-colored beauty of the wind

你的心会画出风中的色彩
nǐ de xīn huì huà chū fēng zhōng de sècǎi
Your heart will paint with the colors of the wind

请闭上双眼陪伴森林呼吸
qǐng bì shàng shuāng yǎn péibàn sēnlín hūxī
Please close your eyes and breathe with the forest

看日月星辰变幻的颜色
kàn rì yuè xīngchén biànhuàn de yánsè
See the fluctuating colors of the sun, the moon and the stars

你和我梦想终於紧紧相连
nǐ hé wǒ mèngxiǎng zhōng yú jǐnjǐn xiānglián
Your dream and mine are finally tightly interwoven

这一刻请你相信是永远
zhè yī kè qǐng nǐ xiāngxìn shì yǒngyuǎn
This moment, please believe, it's forever

让青山绿水自由自在活著
ràng qīngshānlǜshuǐ zìyóu zì zài huózhe
Let the green mountains and blue waters live freely and unrestrained

去学习飞鸟遨翔在人间
qù xuéxí fēi niǎo áo xiáng zài rénjiān
Practice how to roam like a flying bird in the world of mankind

在七彩风里寻找那个世界
zài qī cǎi fēng lǐ xúnzhǎo nèigè shìjiè
Go search for that world in the seven-colored wind

那是你我真心寻找的家园
nà shì nǐ wǒ zhēnxīn xúnzhǎo de jiāyuán
It is the homeland that you and I truly seek

你听风在说话说著不朽的情爱
nǐ tīng fēng zài shuō huà shuō zháo bùxiǔde qíng ài
Listen, the wind is speaking, speaking of eternal love

那全世界最温柔的表白
nà quánshìjiè zuì wēnróu de biǎobái
The entire world's most tender confession

如果真爱在你心中永不更改
rúguǒ zhēn ài zài nǐ xīnzhōng yǒng bù gēnggǎi
If true love never changes within in your heart

你会看到风中七色的美丽
nǐ huì kàndào fēng zhōng qī sè de měilì
You will see the seven-colored beauty of the wind

你的心会画出风中的色彩
nǐ de xīn huì huà chū fēng zhōng de sècǎi
Your heart will paint with the colors of the wind

等待你牵我的手
děngdài nǐ qiān wǒde shǒu
I'll wait for you to take my hand

风在蓝天上飞向那个梦
fēng zài lán tiānshàng fēi xiàng nèigè mèng
The wind is in the blue sky, flying towards that dream

你听风在说话说著不朽的情爱
nǐ tīng fēng zài shuō huà shuō zháo bùxiǔde qíng ài
Listen, the wind is speaking, speaking of eternal love

那全世界最温柔的表白
nà quánshìjiè zuì wēnróu de biǎobái
The entire world's most tender confession

如果真爱在你心中永不更改
rúguǒ zhēn ài zài nǐ xīnzhōng yǒng bù gēnggǎi
If true love never changes within in your heart

你会看到风中七色的美丽
nǐ huì kàndào fēng zhōng qī sè de měilì
You will see the seven-colored beauty of the wind

如果你没有忘记你我风中的相遇
rúguǒ nǐ méiyǒu wàngjì nǐ wǒ fēng zhōng de xiāngyù
If you haven't forgotten how you and I met in the wind

那是刻在风里最美的传奇
nà shì kè zài fēng lǐ zuì měi de chuán qí
It's a most beautiful legend carved into the wind

Original English-Language Version
Pocahontas Soundtrack Lyrics
Artist: Vanessa Williams Lyrics
Song: Colors of the Wind Lyrics

You think you own whatever land you land on
The Earth is just a dead thing you can claim
But I know every rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, has a name

You think the only people who are people
Are the people who look and think like you
But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
You'll learn things you never knew you never knew

Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned?
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountains?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?

Come run the hidden pine trails of the forest
Come taste the sunsweet berries of the Earth
Come roll in all the riches all around you
And for once, never wonder what they're worth

The rainstorm and the river are my brothers
The heron and the otter are my friends
And we are all connected to each other
In a circle, in a hoop that never ends

Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or have the Eagle tell where he's been?
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountain
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind

How high will the sycamore grow?
If you cut it down, then you'll never know
And you'll never hear the wolf cry to the blue corn moon

For whether we are white or copper skinned
We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains
We need to paint with all the colors of the wind

You can own the Earth and still
All you'll own is Earth until
You can paint with all the colors of the wind










nipponman -



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Originally Posted by skylee

Was it not the other way around (from English to Chinese)?


I don't know, I always thought mulan was a Chinese movie translated to English.










Shadowdh -

Its pretty similar to the disney version of the mulan film...

Many thanks for the link and the lyrics (also to Tom for the pochantas one)... I really like
Jackie Chans version... so talented...












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Hi!

I am working in www.playmusicmagazine.com and we are looking for associate editors for China,
Japan, Korea and Asia as whole.

We are a bunch of passionate people who loves music and we seek the same. We started for some
years ago and have started to get readers from all over the world. Therefor - if you have the time
and passion - please contact us.

Use our hotmail adress first, playmusicmagazine@hotmail.com and I´l´l send you the correct email
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stoney -

I'm looking for magazines, papers, books or web sites that have articles in Chinese with a
matching English translation.

Any suggestions?



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gougou -

The Chinese Financial Timeshas the Chinese translations of English articles, if that's good
enough. Just look for the articles with the 英 next to them (which is the majority).










trevelyan -

You might want to try:

http://www.pressinterpreter.org -> translated articles with links to the original texts.

http://textbook.adsotrans.com -> various contexutally annotated texts, including Xinhua pieces.










stoney -

Thanks.
The http://www.pressinterpreter.org/ link was very good. I'm really looking for shorter stories,
short aricles or even paragraphs, as translation examples for students.










atitarev -

I wonder, why Adsotrans only has a couple of sentences for the article (in In NewsinChinese
section). Do you need a login to get the rest? Or is it what there is? It is very good but short.
The Readings section has much larger texts.










otaflegr -

Collection of EN-ZH sentences
http://www.24en.com/brand/900/

Family Album Course of English interlinear Chinese translation
http://www.24en.com/brand/america/

Bilingual News
http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/bilingual.shtml

10 Science Article EN-ZH plus audio
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sciencepod/

Chinese proverbs pinyined, translated and explained
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chinese_proverbs

Miscellaneous text EN-ZH
http://www.bilinguist.com/

Mainly IT articles EN-ZH
http://chn.blogbeta.com/

CH-EN stories to explain idioms
http://www.jsedu.net/szty/CYGS/CYGS.HTM

Laws and Regulations of China translated to English, original text can be found somewhere I hope
http://www.lehmanlaw.com/resource-ce...gulations.html

Simplified Chinese Translations of W3C Documents
http://www.w3.org/2005/11/Translatio...g-zh-hans.html










trevelyan -

@atitarev,

Full text reannotation of NIC wasn't re-enabled until last night. But it is back up now at least.
People need to login to get the click-add wordlist features, etc. but not for just reading the
news.










stoney -

Thanks for the links otaflegr.

Is the Chinadaily bilingual news http://language.chinadaily.com.cn/bilingual.shtml EN > CN or CN >
EN ?










otaflegr -

A while ago, I came across this bilingual site: http://www.chinadialogue.net/










flameproof -

Another good site for ZH/EN press reports:

http://www.translationwiki.net ... then click on "Chinese" (did I really had to add that?)


PS: those ****ing SPAMMERS can really make people sick.

(I think I get 2nd thoughts about that site. It's a potentially really good service. But the
amount of SPAM and vandalism they get is enormous. And seems they don't really deal with it and
have no protective mechanism. Pity that is)












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PaoYu -

I've been studying Classical Chinese now for about 5 weeks. It's hard and faced-paced, but I'm
quite enjoying it. Though, we're still on the baby texts: I think it's about to get a lot harder

Anyway, to the point. Do you think there's any practical purpose for a Westerner to study
Classical Chinese?



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Pravit -

Definitely. I haven't been learning as much Classical Chinese as I should lately, but what I've
learned has helped me tremendously in understanding formal written Chinese. Besides that, it makes
some chengyu/other sayings make more sense. Not to mention the huge world of literature written in
Classical Chinese that is opened up to you. It's quite a feeling to be able to read things written
by Koreans and Japanese hundreds of years ago that I'd have no clue how to read were they written
now. Plus, you will have a higher chance of being able to read those decorations in Chinese
restaurants that everyone will inevitably ask you to read!

There's skylee's thread about Classical Chinese on these forums(it's a sticky somewhere), but I
also recommend these websites:

The wonderful Wengu. Pop-up definitions for characters and a variety of English and French
translations. Plus, a cute way of displaying the characters that makes you feel like you're
reading a string of bamboo sticks.

You probably already know this site, but Zhongwen also has some Classical texts. BTW, does anyone
know why that link on the main page has gone uncorrected for so many years? The one where clicking
on "Mao Zedong sayings" will take you to "Diary of a Madman?" Is that some running joke or is
Zhongwen.com not maintained very much?










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Quote:

Anyway, to the point. Do you think there's any practical purpose for a Westerner to study
Classical Chinese?

sure,why not, if you are intrested in classical chinese,just go ahead, it is good for you that
keep studying,
there are wellknown literatures of chinese philosophy are written in classical chinese, if you can
read it in classical chinese it is wonderful.










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Quote:

Not to mention the huge world of literature written in Classical Chinese that is opened up to you.
It's quite a feeling to be able to read things written by Koreans and Japanese hundreds of years
ago that I'd have no clue how to read were they written now.

On the topic of Classical Chinese being used as the literary medium in Japan and Korea, I wrote a
thread about it elsewhere in this Forum: http://www. /showthread.php?t=11622



Quote:

...what I've learned has helped me tremendously in understanding formal written Chinese.

Because I personally have a preference for Classical Chinese over the modern Mandarin vernacular,
I tend to compose my Chinese e-mail correspondences in a more 'literary' style, i.e. preferring
如何 over 怎樣, 則 over 所以, 幾何 over 多少, 此 over 這個, 無 over 沒, 之 over
的, etc. As a matter of fact, I have a strange habit of beginning my e-mail greetings with the
phrase 台鑒 ("For Your Kind Attention"). And to top it all off, I prefer Traditional Chinese
characters.










Pravit -

Great thread! I'll try to revive it when I have time later on, though I agree with a lot of your
points. Incidentally, it was reading the Hunmin Jeongeum when it really clicked for me that
learning Classical Chinese was not totally pointless and that I could actually read things without
relying on English/baihua glosses.










jak__ -

Also, lots of TV shows and lectures use Classical Chinese.



Quote:

BTW, does anyone know why that link on the main page has gone uncorrected for so many years? The
one where clicking on "Mao Zedong sayings" will take you to "Diary of a Madman?" Is that some
running joke or is Zhongwen.com not maintained very much?

I remember emailing the site owner about this years ago and getting a snide comment in reply. So
its probably that way on purpose.










Mark Yong -



Quote:

Pravit wrote: ...I could actually read things without relying on English/baihua glosses.

Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Quite a number of selections in the 古文觀止 have
allusions that the reader has to be familiar with. Of course, those are the mainly the 'canonical'
stuff, which tend to be heavy. In general, I would imagine it is possible to compose a text in
文言文 Literary Chinese without having to throw in the allusions.










xianu -

As a huge proponent of learning classical, there is the added benefit of being able to better
understand modern grammar and all those sentence patterns and vocab people use in everyday speech.
plus you can read the wuxia xiaoshuo novels with greater ease.










zozzen -

"Ancient Chinese" is a very broad concept that covers the text over a few thousand years.

To understand 詩經 helps almost nothing about modern chinese grammar. 楚辭 looks like monster
code more than chinese. 紅樓夢 may help a bit but if you really use all vocab in the book,
people will find it very strange.

It's always good to get some knowledge on ancient chinese, esp old proverb and idioms which is
still used today. But if you want a practical reason to learn it, you must be a literature
professor.










正在看牡丹 -

As a native Chinese and an English major, I find it extremely interesting and practical to learn
ancient Chinese. The farther I go in learning English, the bigger obstacle my poor proficiency of
Chinese-my mother tongue presents me with. In improving my Chinese, modern novels or textbooks
don't help much.
Besides, ancient Chinese is really BEAUTIFUL language. I'm not saying modern Chiense is rubbish.
Far from it actually. 余光中Yu Guangzhong is a best example. However, I think ancient Chiense
is more elegant and less redundant, though perhaps farther from daily speaking. Although
memorizing<<离骚>>by 屈原 was nightmare in my high school time, it's beautiful poems really,
if you have the patience to look at it closer.

therefore, through my English-learning experience, my suggestions to Chinese-learner is: it's
always good to learn other language's ancient form, only don't forget to learn its modern form as
well. After all, you learn a language to use it, not to appreciate it only.












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Hello all,
So I have recently discovered that I've been accepted to CET's Harbin Chinese Language summer
program and will be spending this summer studying in Harbin. I can't even explain how excited I am
about this. I'm a second-year Chinese student and I know that the experience is going to be
invaluable for my chinese development in addition to helping broaden my horizons, etc. etc.

Anyway, I'm basically looking for advice/stories/anything you might have to offer if you've ever
done or are doing something similar (also I'm just excited but still have to wait until summer to
go so I want to read about things at least...). I've never been out of the US before (except to go
to Canada, but that doesn't count) so the cultural shift will definitely be a significant one.

Obviously there is only so prepared you can be going in, but if there are pitfalls to look out
for, or things that I definitely should do while I'm there, or really anything at all, I'd love to
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thanks,
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venture160 -

I did 3 semesters in Harbin with CET. I guess I could answer any questions you might have.

if you are only there for the summer, make use of your time to study, you'll regret it afterwards
if you don't. The program is short and expensive, if you do study alot, you will see a dramtic
improvment in your Chinese ONLY AFTER the program is over, so don't be worried if you think its
difficult and you aren't learning anything at the time. Just keep hitting the books, go to all the
activities, and most of all don't slack off.










-葛亚辉- -

thanks! I have a feeling that's going to be quite helpful










Shadowdh -

While I didnt study in Harbin I did go to BLCU for the summer last year and will be going back for
a year in september (to one of three universities, which I am not sure yet)... It was a fantastic
experience and you are right its invaluable regarding what it does to your chinese...!! I kept a
blog (which isnt very interesting but you can read it if you wish) just click on my signature and
troll through it for anything that might be of use...










-葛亚辉- -

shadowdh....I don 't see a signature???


and venture 160 would you mind going through what a typical day at CET harbin might be like, what
kind of trips they do in the summer, etc? I've read their brochure etc obviously, but I'd really
love an insiders take...and a more general idea of what my days will be like










venture160 -

A general day (minus the weekends) for someone at CET would be about 4 hours of class a
day(everyone's sched is diff). I was usually out of class by 5, but somedays I had afternoons off
or mornings off due to my schedule.

Lunch is up to you, I usually picked up a quick snack in the grocery store(tasty) or went to the
school cafe which is cheap and not bad.

Most of my free time was spent studying or walking around the city and hanging out with friends. I
got by on 2-4 hours a day of homework. I spent 2 hours a day working out, besides that I spent a
good deal of time doing things with my roommates and other CET classmates like shopping, wandering
around the city, going to see movies, going out to dinner, going to a bar, going to internet
cafes, playing pool, etc. Its really up to you, some people just study night and day and others
spend all their time with chinese friends and roommates. I think 80% of the people study fairly
hard.

CET also has a nice activity room with a big couch and a big tv. Some people watch alot of movies
on the weekends with their roommates, or host parties in there.

weekend activities: trips to dalian, changbaishan, qingdao, inner mongolia. Lots of stuff around
harbin, zoo's, parks activities with culture groups. there's also a cooking class, taijiquan, and
calligraphy if you want it, alot of people sign up for these.

Bear in mind, the winter is quite different and most people stay indoors, studying or going to
bars to pass the time.

I honestly never really got bored except for one 10 day break where I just stayed in Harbin. I
just watched movies the whole time.










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shadowdh....I don 't see a signature???

Its at the bottom of my posts... starts with to read my utterly boring blog click... and then an
embedded link which is http://uk.360.yahoo.com/shadowdh










roddy -

You may need to opt in to show signatures - look for the option here. Plus I don't think guests
see them.










Shadowdh -

I knew something like that would be the case... its this technamaological stuff...












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heifeng -

Isn't there already a top 20 lists or something detailing what one should bring to China on this
forum? I would search for it by my pc is super super slow today...

2 months is short, but I always recommend sunscreen and moisterizer , etc. so your skin doesn't
get tramatized more by the sun or new products out here than it alread will be by pollutants and
general grit circulating in the air (when do the sandstorms start again? after Feb, right?). Even
if they have what you want out here, it might not be the easiest to find.

And FYI, the Tjoy brand or ding shenme yi is an evil skincare product/company, there is a reason
they promote that lousy brand everywhere~Even if they give it to you for free, do not accept it!
Ok, that was my 跑题 of the day!

Also you can bring Zippo lighters to sell or other gifts for general corruption purposes:
cigarettes, chocolates, liquor wrapped up in pretty packages...etc.

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My grandma tells me that chocolate is quite expensive and she insisted that I bring truck loads of
it with me to share with everyone in my extended family. Also, she wants peanut butter? I'm
wondering how much to bring and what other "essentials" I should bring over. Any info would be
much appreciated. Thanks!

Ok, so I just reread the thread, so in order to make it sound like China is infact not like a
correctional institution where cigarettes are only used as a bartering system for favors, you can
indeed bring chocolate, pistachios (esp. if you are in Cali since they may be cheaper there), and
VITAMINS. Vitamins are good to bring for your family especially the old folks since vitamins in
China claim to be from the US , but seem questionable to me, and buying them in the US actually
works out to be cheaper.



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Bring a hair stylist along who knows how to cut non-Chinese hair. See related discussion under
Grammar and Vocabulary.

oh, yeah, feel free to bring me, heifeng, expensive German shears and I will cut your hair if you
ever require it while in China hehe










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Also you can bring Zippo lighters

Zippo gets massively faked in China. You can think of some typical USA cheesy stuff. Just remove
the "Made in China" sign first.

And remember, the more cheesy, the more Chinese will love it. Cheesy stuff that blinks and makes
funny noises are best.










Lindsay -

I didn't know what zippo lighters were and I just did a search, turns out my grandfather used to
collect those "cheesy" things from the US and japan. I remember he had some in the shape of guns
and you just pull the trigger and fire comes out. it was the coolest thing to a 6 year old.

i'm still really concerned about this surge protector thing. i saw this from someone's post:

"Also keep in mind:

1) Many things here are fake or poor quality, so bring your own surge protector that you trust.
Don't let your $2000 machine rely on a 20 kuai power strip."

If my laptop does get messed up, is it repairable? my warantee covers just about everything except
accidental damage, but would this type of thing accidental?










Lindsay -

oh, i just remembered something else... (sorry for the neverending questions)

i heard the university dorms are kept relatively cold and most people wear thick sweaters just to
keep warm in their rooms. even though i used to go to college in Ithaca, NY (very cold winters) we
still had well-heated rooms. do most people buy additional electric heaters for their rooms? like
there's a fan that blows out hot air. they are around $20 over here and heat up a room to a balmy
70 farenheit degrees. i have one that uses 750V so do you all advise that i bring it with me?










adrianlondon -

You can buy heaters in China. Seems silly to bring one with you, considering the size. This isn't
some strange country with no technology, you know ;)

Most foreign student dorms are heated well. Most dorms ban heaters anyway (meaning you need to
"hide" it).










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are heated well.

Inside it's either sub zero, or over 35C. Last time my hotel was on the hot side and the only way
to regulate was to keep the windows open.

I once was in Gansu in a hotel that was more "on the cold side" and they gave me extra blankets.
The extra blanket were so heavy I couldn't move at all at night. But it was warm.

Now, for your notebook, it is basically protected by the power supply. Before you write more
worries about it i suggest you actually have a look at your appliances and read what it said on
the power supply.

Another note, your non-GSM phone you can leave home. It will not work in China.










adrianlondon -

I guess I'm lucky here at BNU then, with full climate control in my bedroom and a separate one in
the living room.

It's a good job they are all separate as my flatmate, an Indonesian guy, usually has his room set
to "desert, 12 noon".










jinjin -

speaking about power conveters and plug adapters, I'm almost positive that all laptops do not
require a power converter. Also, in beijing anyway, the outlet plugs fit both flat and round plugs
and this weird triangular three flat prong thing not found in the US (but maybe in other
countries, I'm not sure)

on another note, I just found out that the mp3 player and some other random chinese gadgets work
in the US! I thought that I would have to ditch my electronics b/c the plugs look different, but
they charge just fine in the US. (the flat plugs on my chinese bought electronics do not have the
holes in them that the US ones have but that doesn't seem to affect their charging abilities). so
load up on cheap electronics that are more durable and long lasting than you would think! I went
to the Chinese Silicon Valley in haidian district...










Lindsay -

this probably sounds dumb, but where exactly is this "silicon valley of china" that you speak of?
i heard there's a major electronics area in beijing... so is that the same thing?

since i'll be in beijing for such a short duration, what do y'all suggest i do about a cell phone?
should i buy a pre-paid one or depend on the landline that's (hopefully) in my dorm room.

oh, something completely off-tropic..
you know those 2008 olympics mascots? the 5 bear/animal creatures? i really want the stuffed
animals so are dept stores selling them? i know they're used as promotional tools and all but i
would love to buy a set or two since i know i won't be able to attend the games.












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Hi~

I'm thinking of going to UIR-CIE this spring semester mainly because I wanted smaller class sizes.
Maybe I'll do a future rant about why BLCU sucks (25 people is not a class it's a football team!).

But for now I want to know who else will be going with me in spring of 2007? Don't be shy. What
brings you to China? What made you study Chinese? What made you decide to break away from BLCU or
otherwise pick UIR or how did you find out about it? Also for those who've been there, what did
you think? What are the lessons like?

Thanks~



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Hi Cookie Monster,

I went to UIR-CIE for a short-term course in summer 2006. I think it's a decent school. You can
read my post about it here: http://www. /showth...&highlight=UIR










cookie_monster -

hey Pravit,
Thanks for that link to your post, it was really very informative
I'm quite serious about improving my Chinese skills and it sounds like a really decent school. I
was actually surprised that it was so near to Wudaokou; that's just great

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dynaemu -

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, please move if needed >__<

But my question is, I plan on living in HK in the future, because i have alot of cousins and
relatives there.. but I question is.. should I be learning Cantonese or MAndarin?

I heard many people that cantonese is a dying language and mandarin will be HKs new language x_X
so.. opinions/myth clearups from anyone would be nice..


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skylee -

Cantonese is very much alive and kicking in Hong Kong. If you speak in Mandarin you can be
understood but it will be more difficult for you to blend in with the locals (unless you stick
with mandarin-speakers) and enjoy local culture. If your plan is to live in Hong Kong then it is
worthwhile to learn Cantonese. IMHO it is harder to learn than Mandarin, though.










pazu -

Agree with Skylee, Hong Kongers just love to speak Cantonese in front of Mandarin speakers. So...










Crivens200 -

Assuming that your first language is English, your primary form of communication in HK is always
going to be English. You'll never get your Canto to a level where it's better than the average
HK'ers English.

If you have the ability to learn both languages at the same time (which I doubt, unless you are 7)
then I would recommend learning both.

Otherwise, I'd say you would be crazy to learn Cantonese ahead of Mandarin, even in HK.










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Assuming that your first language is English, your primary form of communication in HK is always
going to be English. You'll never get your Canto to a level where it's better than the average
HK'ers English.

If you have the ability to learn both languages at the same time (which I doubt, unless you are 7)
then I would recommend learning both.

Otherwise, I'd say you would be crazy to learn Cantonese ahead of Mandarin, even in HK.

What are you talking about? I use Cantonese everyday.... My primary form of communication in HK is
always in Cantonese. I have NEVER heard Mandarin spoken in Hong Kong by anyone in my Residential
Estate, Tuen Mun, Mong Kok, TST etc.

How is it crazy? I think its quite logical... Everyone speaks Cantonese, wouldn't it be crazy to
learn Mandarin ahead of Cantonese (in HK)?










gougou -



Quote:

How is it crazy? I think its quite logical... Everyone speaks Cantonese, wouldn't it be crazy to
learn Mandarin ahead of Cantonese (in HK)?

That depends a lot on your personal goals. If Hong Kong for you is just a short-term experience,
Mandarin will most likely be more useful in your future. However, if you are planning to stay in
Hong Kong for the long term, Cantonese is an option worth considering.










Crivens200 -

No it wouldn’t be crazy to learn mandarin ahead of Cantonese.

I assume the original poster would be looking at long term benefits of learning Chinese rather
than just something that amounts to a neat little party trick.

As I said, his primary form of communication is going to be English – seeing as he has this
communication skill already I would think that learning Cantonese is not as useful in the long run
as learning Mandarin . . . . . . . . unless his goal is to look cool when ordering his pork buns
in mong kok.

Most foreigners in Hong Kong don’t speak a word of Cantonese, the primary reason for that being
that they don’t need to cos the greater part of the population can communicate effectively in
English.

Much like a foreigner learning shanghainese in shanghai instead of mandarin – wrong choice!










skylee -

The original poster is not going to hk. See his post ->
http://www. /showth...4657#post94657










atitarev -

I would also recommend Mandarin before Cantonese, if one wants to learn the written language
because Cantonese is a spoken dialect but most written materials, including those produced in Hong
Kong are in standard Mandarin - more or less the same as the one used in the rest of China,
although more it is often in traditional characters. Spoken Cantonese can and is written sometimes
but it's not standard and there are not so many resources on it.

Diglossia causes lots of problems but there is only one formal Chinese language, which can be read
with whatever your local dialect is.










Kiwijes -

Hi Dynaemu,
My view is that you should learn Cantonese. You say you want to go there because you have family
there? My assumption is that they speak Cantonese so you might as well learn what they speak.

I suppose it depends on your goal - if it is the aim of learning a new language, or the aim of
being able to communicate in Hong Kong and make the effort. Mandarin would be a better language to
know overall, but Cantonese would be better for you now in Hong Kong.

In Hong Kong everyone speaks English anyway, and I have heard a lot of Mandarin spoken there - but
I still make a point to (try to!) speak in Cantonese as often as I can (Greeting's, thank you's
etc) because I think that they appreciate the effort.
Good luck!












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Strawberries513 -

I was wondering what this meant in chinese, because i hear this phrase alot in songs and i have
heard it a few times spoken, but i was never able to figure out the tones. i am almost positive
that is the correct pinyin.

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Quest -

无所谓。










Paolo -

无所谓 wúsuǒwèi means to be indifferent, not to care about something, etc.
e.g. 我无所谓 It doesn't matter to me, I don't care; 我对这件事情无所谓 I don't care
about this matter, etc.










Kellian -

whenever I hear it used, it seems to mean "forget it" or "never mind"










self-taught-mba -

tones:

wúsuǒwèi

I often here the first part a little bit emphasized which is maybe why it's hard to get the tones
out.

Meaning: indifferent / it doesn't matter
in rare cases: it can't be called / regarded in that way

EX
Q. ni xiang qu nar?
A. (wo) wúsuǒwèi, ni shuo ba.










xiaojiang216 -



Quote:

我爱你的心你怎么能忍心都敲碎
给你的安慰难道只是我的一场误会
告诉我吧我无所谓
流过的眼泪紧紧的依偎莫非全部是白费

曲名：“爱情的余味“
歌手：张信哲












djwebb2004 -

You sometimes hear mei2suo3wei4, but I am not sure whether that is standard or not.










cvkai -

There is also an A-mei song that is called Wo wu suo wei.


Quote:

我无所谓我冷若冰淡若水
我不为梦留一点空侵掠我紧闭心扉
当感情是唯一解不开的结
而人爱听谁伤了谁
我愿是风中飘然轻落的叶
我无所谓我伤过心掉过泪
我只在乎爱本无罪
何苦要陷入重围
当世界被感情蒙上一曾灰而我
宁愿是最后的落叶














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rose~ -

Does anyone have any good Korean songs to recommend?

I like the song 너무 아픈 사랑은 사람이 아니었음을 (Neomu appeun sarang eun sarang
ee ani eosseumeul) by 김광석 Kim Kwang Seok 金光石. It is available to watch here

Korean film fans might recognize it from the soundtrack for The Classic. Personally, I don't know
much about the man, but he sounds like a Korean Bob Dylan. Or Bob Dylan sounds like an American
Kim Kwang Seok...



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tsp_uk -

Oh my goodness that's one of my favourite songs as well! Are you a The Classic fan as well?










bhchao -

This guy 김범수 is known for his ballads.

Here was a live performance of his song 보고싶다: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT262E65i2g

Many fans of the early Korean dramas would recognize that song.










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Quote:

Oh my goodness that's one of my favourite songs as well! Are you a The Classic fan as well?

Guilty as charged (I am getting on a bit to be watching that kind of film...). Btw are you in
London? I was in New Malden the other week (which has a large Korean community) and there is even
a shop called The Classic! I didn't have time to go in though...What could it possibly be selling?
Silver necklaces and umbrellas?

Nice song from bhchao, thanks










tsp_uk -

Lol nope I'm not from London, but I really liked that film as well. I really like this song called
"When that day comes" 그날이오면. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrjd_q9AKNg










bhchao -



Quote:

I really like this song called "When that day comes" 그날이오면.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrjd_q9AKNg

Nice video. I like this song
Sun Setting in my Heart/가슴에 지는 태양 from Kim Bum Soo, one of the singers featured in
that video "When that day comes"

He sings it live in a limo. It's kind of funny. His motions are fun to watch as he sings the song.

Here is his non-live version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIKXLEPtCx8










bhchao -

I like this duet from Vibe (바이브) and Jang Hye Jin (장혜진). He and She

Nevermind the guy's wacky hairstyle. His voice is quite good, but the woman (Jang) steals the show
with her strong and natural performance.










Strawberries513 -

Well, if you're a teenage teenybopper like me, it doesnt get any better than BoA and DBSK!!!
(东方神起) and SE7EN heh, almost all of their songs are great.

woot!! go Kpop!










zhenhui -

015B has nice songs too.... try youtube ^_^










bhchao -

If you are into BoA, DBSK, or Se7en, you might also like Wheesung. His Incurable Disease is one of
his hit songs: Incurable Disease

It has an upbeat tone compared to this ballad song of his: A Story I Can't Tell

Here are the biggest hits of 2006:
1. Shinwa's Once in a Lifetime

2. Turtles Aeroplanes

3. Baek Ji Young's 사랑안해 (Sarang ang hae)/(I Won't Love)

4. Ha Dong Kyun's 그녀를사랑해줘요 (Sarang hae jwo yo)/(Please Love Her). This was one of
the theme songs in the drama Sweet Spy that starred Nam Sang Mi

5. SG Wannabe's Partner for Life

6. Lee Seung Chul's 소리쳐 (Screaming)












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onebir -

The request: It seems the dictionary search is tone dependent. 'jiguan' gives no hits, but
'ji1guan1' does - even when the search is set to contain.

For a tone deaf person like me, it'd be great to be able to search disregarding tones....

The oddity:
Searching for strings containing 'ji' gives a whole load of results with pinyin that doesn't
contain 'ji' - it's in the definition. I guess 'ji' could be english, so ZDT is giving it the
benefit of the doubt and pulling up entries with ji in pinyin or definition. But i think it would
be better if the entry were checked against valid pinyin syllables - and if it's one of them ZDT
would only pull out entries with matching pinyin. The 18 pages of 'ji' hits resulting from the
current setup make it a real slog to find the right character... :P



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My free dictionary for MDict on the PocketPC can lookup using toneless pinyin (single and compound
chars)

http://china.panlogicsoftware.com/

I will consider porting it to StarDict on win/macos/linux/etc, if I see that there is sufficient
demand.

Maybe Chris can comment if the ZDT search function can be "pluggable" or customizable.










gato -

StarDict searches work without tones.
http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php










bogleg -

You can search without tones. Replace the tone number with the underscore character (ie. wo_) If
you don't use a tone number or underscore, then it assumes you're searching an english definition.

Hey Wade - do you mean dictionaries being pluggable? If not, what do you mean?

Chris










onebir -



Quote:

You can search without tones. Replace the tone number with the underscore character (ie. wo_) If
you don't use a tone number or underscore, then it assumes you're searching an english definition.

Aaaahhh - thank you! Apologies if this is in the documentation somewhere and i missed it...










stephanhodges -

Actually, what I want is the opposite. I want to search for tones without any pinyin. The reason
for this is to generate word lists of different tone combinations for practice. It's a bit
specialized, but difficult to do.

Even asking several Chinese friends, and they have a hard time on the spot coming up with a number
of 3-3 words, etc.












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