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David W Jackson -

Well, thanks to everyone for their input. I now have my letter of release and a new job in BJ. For
anyone else struggling to get their heads round the visa thing this link at Dave's is useful:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/vi...1087ffcd5f4c20

Have a great holiday.
David



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David W Jackson -

My sense of relief was premature it seems. Here's the actual sitrep: I am due to start a new job
on the 14th of May in Beijing. On the one hand my new boss says he doesn't know whether he must
apply for a new Z visa for me whilst at the same time telling me my existing papers (by which he
must mean my - now invalid if previous posts are correct - resident permit in my passport) will be
fine for at least 2 months! This seems to run counter to what has been posted earlier re the
permit/visa situation. Earlier posts suggested that once a contract of employment was ended the
permit was no longer at all valid, does also extend to the visa component? My contract is now
ended. I understand that this means my permit is no longer valid. My permit in my passport say it
is valid until May 2008. Is it not? Am I now accruing 500RBM per day debt? Does anybody know the
real score?!? Is my boss right to believe that I have two months grace within which to do what?:
apply for a new Z visa? Upgrade the existing/no longer valid passport permit?

I'm so confused my head hurts and I can't sleep. Help anyone? Thanks.










roddy -

I am not a lawyer, this is all just as I understand it, etc . . . .

He might not need to get you a new Z visa - the visa just gets you in the country - but your
residence permit should be updated with the new employer and address details. You shouldn't
(although you could quite possibly get away with it) be working in Beijing on a residence permit
that says you are in Qingdao. I wouldn't worry about a transitional period of a month or so,
assuming you can see that they are actually working on it and not just saying 'yeah, we'll get
around to it'.










imron -

Agree with roddy. You probably don't need a new Z visa, but your new boss almost certainly does
have to apply for a new Foreign Expert Certificate and go through the formalities of updating your
residence permit. For this, you will need the letter of release from your previous school, saying
that you are no longer working for them. It shouldn't be too difficult for your school to do this,
and there's no reason why they can't start working on this now, rather than once you start
employment.










roddy -

Yeah, forgot about the FEC - that may also be necessary. You may also hit upon a problem I've had
in the past whereby the Beijng PSB won't take you onto their books until you're officially off the
books wherever you used to be. This meant I once had to EMS my passport from Beijing to Harbin,
but it all worked out.

Basically it's all doable and it's nothing to get worked up about, as long as you can see progress
being made. However, because it's a slightly unusual process - usually people come in, do a job,
leave, rather than change jobs, there's more uncertainty about how to do it all.










David W Jackson -

Thanks Roddy, Imron et al. OK, I think I'm beginning to get it. Don't need a new Z visa. Need to
upgrade/change the resident permit. (From Tianjin to Beijing). There is some grace to do that
without racking up daily fines. I'm assuming - always dangerous - that since I won't be doing the
dancing monkey routine any longer, the FEC is no longer required. As for the Release Letter. All
done and dusted. So it's time for some Bob Marley, a lazy lunch and a chill pill or two or three.
And who knows, maybe tonight I'll sleep like a baby. Duo xie!










roddy -

You'll probably need something to back up the residence permit changes - could be a foreign
experts certificate, could be the less-commonly seen work permit 外国人就业证(?) which comes
via the Ministry of Labor rather than the foreign experts people. Let us know how it works out.










Rincewind -

David you can relax. Even though you don't start working until the 14th, you've signed the
contract. So are employed. Your new employer just has to go down to the PSB with you and their
paperwork and get things rubber stamped. Wouldn't leave it as long as 2 months, but sometime soon.
There is a grace period for all these things, but I wouldn't test how long that grace is. Don't
really see any reason to wait as it only takes a short time to submit the forms. Your employer
probably knows no more about this than you do so take the upper hand and tell him what you want.










imron -

Signed contract or not, if the PSB determines you overstayed your visa/residence permit you'll
still be fined, and your new school will probably also be fined for not processing your paperwork
in a timely manner. This happened to a teacher at the school I used to work at. Get your new
employer to sort things out asap.










Rincewind -

My point was that once you have signed the contract, there is no need to wait untill you are
actaully teaching classes. Tell the empoyer to get on with it. There is no reason to wait other
than that your employer probably wants the May holliday clear.












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