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onebir -

The request: It seems the dictionary search is tone dependent. 'jiguan' gives no hits, but
'ji1guan1' does - even when the search is set to contain.

For a tone deaf person like me, it'd be great to be able to search disregarding tones....

The oddity:
Searching for strings containing 'ji' gives a whole load of results with pinyin that doesn't
contain 'ji' - it's in the definition. I guess 'ji' could be english, so ZDT is giving it the
benefit of the doubt and pulling up entries with ji in pinyin or definition. But i think it would
be better if the entry were checked against valid pinyin syllables - and if it's one of them ZDT
would only pull out entries with matching pinyin. The 18 pages of 'ji' hits resulting from the
current setup make it a real slog to find the right character... :P



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smalltownfart -

My free dictionary for MDict on the PocketPC can lookup using toneless pinyin (single and compound
chars)

http://china.panlogicsoftware.com/

I will consider porting it to StarDict on win/macos/linux/etc, if I see that there is sufficient
demand.

Maybe Chris can comment if the ZDT search function can be "pluggable" or customizable.










gato -

StarDict searches work without tones.
http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php










bogleg -

You can search without tones. Replace the tone number with the underscore character (ie. wo_) If
you don't use a tone number or underscore, then it assumes you're searching an english definition.

Hey Wade - do you mean dictionaries being pluggable? If not, what do you mean?

Chris










onebir -



Quote:

You can search without tones. Replace the tone number with the underscore character (ie. wo_) If
you don't use a tone number or underscore, then it assumes you're searching an english definition.

Aaaahhh - thank you! Apologies if this is in the documentation somewhere and i missed it...










stephanhodges -

Actually, what I want is the opposite. I want to search for tones without any pinyin. The reason
for this is to generate word lists of different tone combinations for practice. It's a bit
specialized, but difficult to do.

Even asking several Chinese friends, and they have a hard time on the spot coming up with a number
of 3-3 words, etc.












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