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889 -

Remember that by agreement between the US and China, Americans should be receiving one-year
multiple-entry tourist and business visas from China.

This is Maura Harty, Assistant Secretary of State, speaking about the agreement in Beijing on
March 2, 2005:

"Well, it is reciprocal. So that -- in the case of the business and tourist travel, they are
giving to American citizens -- they are -- by the reciprocal nature of the agreement, we are to
give to Chinese citizens in the tourist and business category one year multiple entry visas and
the Government of China has agreed to give the same thing to an American coming, as well."

http://www.usembassy-china.org.cn/pr...030305pre.html

If you are unable to get a one-year multiple-entry visa in accordance with the agreement, let the
Bureau of Consular Affairs at the State Department know.



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If you are unable to get a one-year multiple-entry visa in accordance with the agreement, let the
Bureau of Consular Affairs at the State Department know.

Yes, that'll do the trick!












djwebb2004 -

The worse thing about all this visa business is that it is all so pointless. It is as if the
modern concept of visas was specially invented for Chinese bureaucracy to have fun with: the
various categories of visas, all with minute regulations, and different prices for different
nationalities, and some you can extend in-country, and some you have to leave to get (just to ****
you in the a*** a little bit more). Hong Kong is a haven of sanity by contrast. Just imagine how
lovely it would be if the whole of China were a free port like HK, or if the nonsense was kept to
a minimum in the following way: All the visa categories and the various explanations of why you
need to be in China could be abolished, and simply replaced by a single visa to enter China for
one month, available from all embassies for a flat fee. This could be supplemented by a single
type of residence permit, always multiple entry, and always available for a year at a time,
renewable an infinite number of times, with no big explanations of what you are doing in China
required, available for purchase from any police station in China, with no need to ever leave the
country. Sigh. Leave the country in order to stay in China - now that's where the Chinese
bureaucrats have really won! The illogical logic finally begins to make sense!










889 -

Did I say it'd solve your problem?

But the State Department should know they're confusing and misleading Americans by publicising an
agreement which seems to be nothing of the sort.

Myself, I'd like to see them stop giving one-year multiple-entry visas to Chinese until there's
true reciprocity.










nitropuppy -

Well, I had a brief glimmer of hope when I read "smalldogs" comment. A one year "L" visa (for a
spouse) sounded like my answer. Felt good. Felt confident. Then the other comments flowed slowly
in. Multiple answers, mulitple contradictions, multiple scenario's,.......multiple confusion.
Does anybody see what I mean? Have I asked an impossible question? Is this the "Black Hole" of the
visa world matrix? Is this as difficult to discover as the "Unified Field Theory" ? Isn't there an
expert in quantum visa physics ? STUNNING!
The answers here range from ...."no problem, just get a 1 year spouse tourist visa" to "no matter
what,you must leave every sixty days" to " just bribe your way in" to calling my governments
attention to the injustice". Of course, I'm paraphrasing and reading some between the lines. Let's
see ....."OK! Bob, I'll take door number three." Door opens, a sound of Eeeerrrrr. Audience
laughs. "Ohhhh, I'm sorry contestant. But, you've won a descented skunk and a box of Stella Dora
breadsticks." I slump off to my chair, trying to hide my humilition.










Xander -

Just posting this, don´t know if it works.

Apply for a year of study at at University in China, they issue the Visa, and you can get to China
with your one year visa. Dont show up, so you don´t have to pay the tution fee, and live in China
for one year. There does not seem to be any connection between the local police station (where you
have to register when coming to China) and the university, so to me it doesn´t seem like a
problem. I have never tried it myself though, and it seems way too easy. They probably put you in
jail if they find out.










nitropuppy -

Sorry Xander, but you're right. A person doing that, would get in trouble. Most likely not jail.
But, certainly fined and deported. No,.... I won't break the laws. I don't do that in America, I
certainly won't do that in China. I want to contribute to my host country in some way. Live with
my wife and be happy. Get to know the beauty of China's culture. If I must, I'll get a job
teaching english. I just don't want to get strapped with a full time job there.










djwebb2004 -

nitropuppy, don't make things too hard for yourself. It really is devastatingly simple. Get a
one-month L visa, go to China. When in China apply through the Emoo agency (emoo.net) for a
one-year F business visa that will allow you to live in China for a year without working or
studying.










smalldog -

Here's another option for you: how about getting married in Hong Kong? My wife and I got married
in Hong Kong due to the bureaucratic hassles of the mainland, the advantages of having a marriage
certificate in English and Chinese, and the generally more romantic atmosphere there. This was
followed by celebrations in my wife's hometown.

In terms of visas, your best bet is probably to get a 30 or 60 day tourist visa in the US and then
extend it once you are in China (you'll find adverts for such services in the expat magazines in
Beijing, Shanghai or Guangzhou). Alternatively you could enter China via Hong Kong and apply for a
90-day tourist visa there (unfortunately as a US citizen you can't use the agencies which sell 6
month visas).

Once you are married and in China on an L visa you can apply in your wife's hometown for a one
year extension -- no need to leave the country. Ask you wife to call her local 出入境管理所
(exit-entry administration office) for details of how to apply.










djwebb2004 -

As a US citizen, you can get a one-year F visa through Emoo, as I said. See
http://www.emoo.net/modules/icontent/index.php?page=5. It specifically states that it can get it
for US citizens for 4200 yuan.












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